Posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical
Seeing With One’s Own Eyes : Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy by Linda Jordan
The principal aim of an autopsy is to determine the cause of death when the cause of death is equivocal or unknown. It is a “strictly the facts ma’am” kind of procedure.
A Medical Examiner or Coroner simply reports what is “seen with their own eyes” concerning the condition of the body and organs after an autopsy. A review of the deceased’s medical history is also included in their assessment. When all is said and done they offer a professional opinion as to the manner of death based on the physical findings and medical history.
If you have ever read a Coroner’s report you know they are very dry. No ad-libbing or wild guessing, no emotion, just straight reporting and fact based conclusions about the state of the body. Lots of words and phrases like, “anterior thorax”, “usual lobular architecture”, “unremarkable”, “perirenal soft tissue”, “sclerae and conjunctivae”, “intact”, “coronary arteries arise normally”, “well-preserved follicular and trabecular markings”.
That’s why I was concerned by newspaper accounts of the Hawaii Medical Examiner’s reported cause of death for Loretta Fuddy, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health. What the medical examiner has released so far is heavy on the perceived emotion of Loretta at the time of her death and speculation about the condition of her heart.
Emotion and speculation are not things the medical examiner could have seen with her own eyes.
Some Background.
You will remember that Loretta Fuddy was the person who released photo copies of Barack Obama’s original, long form Certificate of Live Birth. She did this at Obama’s request and said that she hoped it would put an end to the “numerous inquiries” the Hawaii DOH has received to produce the document. Judith Corley, Obama’s lawyer, says she flew to Hawaii to collect this document.
Obama then posted the purported birth certificate to the White House website on April 27, 2011. It has since been proven to be an abject forgery. It was not a scan of a photo copy of an original document. It was a forged PDF file that never existed in paper form until someone pushed print.
Loretta Fuddy died after a plane crash on December 11, 2013. Just a month and a half prior she had been named in two affidavits filed in U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington. The originator of the affidavits had asked that a Grand Jury be convened to investigate Obama’s forged birth certificate and Fuddy’s role, if any, in its production.
Fuddy and her Deputy Director Keith Yamamoto had traveled to the island of Molokai that day on a work related trip. On their return flight the small plane they were riding in was forced to make an emergency ocean landing, fairly close to shore, after suffering a complete engine failure.
It was a very smooth landing according to the video one passenger captured. All nine passengers, including Loretta, secured their life jackets and calmly disembarked from the plane. In fact there was almost no sound as they exited into the approximately 70 degree water.
Within minutes after the forced landing a small plane flew overhead and survivors knew that help was on the way. Then, inexplicably, Loretta Fuddy suffered an equivocal death. A death of unknown origin.
Problems With The Autopsy: The First Cause Of Death Release.
Loretta was the only fatality, and a high profile one. Autopsies are to be performed as soon after death as possible. Preferably within 24 hours. It was reported that Loretta Fuddy’s autopsy took place two days after her death. Why wait two days? And if the autopsy was completed on December 13th, 2013 why were the results kept private for a month? Details from the autopsy report were not revealed until January 13, 2014. And scant details they were. The Maui Police Department, not the Medical Examiner’s Office, reported that Loretta Fuddy, “suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water” and that Fuddy's “irregular heartbeat” was the result of stress brought on by the December 11 crash.
It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.
And therein lies the rub. The Medical Examiners designation of death, cardiac arrhythmia due to stress, is in direct conflict with the known facts.
Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.
Passenger accounts of what transpired during the crash and after directly controverts the medical examiners conclusion.
“Clyde Kawasaki, the pilot, has said Fuddy seemed to be in fine condition while bobbing in the water after everyone left the airplane and waited for rescue crews to show up at the scene.”
'Everyone was real quiet. We hit (the water) and it was all about getting the belts off,' he said, describing how everyone started putting on life jackets and remained on the plane until it seemed to start sinking.'There wasn't panic or anything. It was very orderly,' he said. Phillip Hollstein
“Bobbing in the water, Hollstein noticed the pilot and seven other passengers seemed fine. 'I didn't want to sit out there bobbing, so I figured I'd take a shot at going to the shoreline.' He guesses the swim to the rugged shoreline took an hour and a half. He was surprised to hear later that one of the passengers, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy, had later died. 'She was doing fine out of the airplane,' Hollstein said”.
The video footage of the actual plane crash directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion. Loretta Fuddy was not screaming or crying. No one was. “The 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan's cabin starts to flood after impact - but everyone remains calm and eerily quiet as they leave the sinking craft.” “In the video, the passengers can be seen making their way out calmly.”
There is only one hearsay account that Fuddy needed to “relax” after the crash. KeithYamamoto purportedly told Rev. Patrick Killilea that he had held Loretta’s hand and tried to help her to “relax” but at some point she let go of his hand and was unresponsive.
The Second Cause Of Death Release.
Two months after the Maui Police Department revealed Fuddy’s cause of death the Associated Press (AP) sent out a short article with details straight from their own copy of the autopsy report which they obtained on March 10, 2014. Now, four months after her death, we learn this from newspaper accounts of the AP story.
*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.
*‘Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her.’
*‘The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11.’
*‘The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean.’
*The autopsy said [Fuddy’s] acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation.
*Official autopsy results for late state health director Loretta Fuddy reveal she was a poor swimmer and never swam in ocean waters.
*According to the report, witnesses saw Fuddy exit the aircraft with her flotation device and [she] was “markedly afraid” while waiting for rescue personnel to arrive. She was pronounced dead after being brought to shore. (This is in direct conflict with first hand witness accounts reported at the time. Remember the pilot and passenger Hollstein both said Fuddy was calm and was doing fine and no witness in any newspaper account of the crash ever said Fuddy was “markedly afraid”. So where did this come from?)
*The [autopsy] report says reported ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves that occasionally splashed over the face of the crash victims as they awaited rescue.
Listen to the words coming out of the medical examiner’s report: Loretta Fuddy was markedly afraid, it was a traumatic ordeal, she was a poor swimmer, she never swam in the ocean, water occasionally splashed over her face while awaiting rescue, ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?
The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted. It is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy.
Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?
A final point. One headline announcing the Maui Police Department’s release of autopsy details (January 13, 2014) said that Loretta’s death had been ruled “accidental”.
As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?
Closing.
The Medical Examiner’s autopsy report guesses at the cause of death for Loretta Fuddy. And sometimes, absent any clues from the body, that’s all you can do. However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”. But what makes Dr. Harle’s guess most disturbing is the fact that it is in direct conflict with eyewitness accounts of Loretta at the time of the crash and in direct conflict with her own brother’s knowledge of her.
She’s clearly trying to make a square peg fit in to a round hole in spite of the facts.
Review all the documentation I’ve supplied. See it with your own eyes and then ask yourself three questions.
1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?
2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?
3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?
Read it again and let it sink in.
‘The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molokai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." ‘ ."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves."
End Notes
1 having two or more possible meanings: not easily understood or explained 2 Unlike Coroners, Medical Examiners are government-appointed physicians who are certified specialists in forensic pathology. They do not need permission from the next of kin to perform an autopsy. 3 Origin of AUTOPSY: Greek autopsia, the act of seeing with one's own eyes, First Known Use: 1678. 4 Dr. Harle, Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 5 There is such a thing as a Psychological Autopsy (PA) particularly in cases of suspected suicide where life insurance policies are involved. They include extensive interviews with family, friends and a review of the deceased personal records. Conclusions based on this kind of autopsy are generally not accepted in legal criminal proceedings but have been used in civil cases. They primarily serve to bring closure to the family. A PA is done in addition to the autopsy performed by the Medical Examiner. There is no suggestion that Loretta Fuddy killed herself and no evidence that a PA was performed on her. 6 http://www.mcso.org/PressRelease/ 2012 March 1,21, July 17 7 Ms. Fuddy was named in two affidavits (one public, one sealed) filed in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington on October 18, 2013, by Douglas Vogt, citing twenty points of forgery that comprise misprision of treason and misprision of felony. Vogt, with researcher and document expert Paul Irey, investigated the intricacies of the forgery. Mr. Vogt’s affidavit and Ms. Fuddy’s involvement gained national attention when he was interviewed on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report on December 4, 2013, exactly one week to the day before her tragic death on December 11, 2013. http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2014/01/12/what-are-the-chances-the-mysterious-death-of-loretta-fuddy-by-doug-hagmann/ 8 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/ 9 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 10 http://pathlabs.ufl.edu/services/autopsy/faq-autopsy http://usaforensics.com/faqs/ 11 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html “Fuddy's irregular heartbeat was the result of stress from the Dec. 11 crash… Maui police announced, revealing the findings of an autopsy conducted two days after the crash. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. “All the passengers, including Fuddy, safely evacuated the plane and activated life-vests, but according to a newly released autopsy, Fuddy suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water, waiting for rescuers.” “Fuddy, 65, was healthy and didn't have any known heart problems, her brother, Lewis Fuddy, said Monday."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves." 12 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 13 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 14 Pathologist factors: Some doctors express dissatisfaction with the quality of an autopsy if the pathologist does not provide answers regarding the case. Unfortunately, an autopsy does not guarantee that the cause of death, for example a heart arrhythmia, will be identified. http://www.medicinenet.com/autopsy/page3.htm#what_is_the_autopsy_report 15 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 16 Heart trouble led to Fuddy's death But the state health director did not have cardiac or stress problems, her brother says’ By Timothy Hurley POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jan 14, 2014 The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molokai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 17 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/13/22294162-hawaiian-health-director-died-of-irregular-heartbeat-after-plane-crash?lite 18 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536931/New-footage-shows-harrowing-moment-small-plane-crashed-Hawaii-killed-woman-published-President-Obamas-birth-certificate.html#ixzz2xN5RYmJN 19 http://www.chicagonewsday.com/feed/national/11572-new-footage-shows-the-harrowing-moment-a-small-plane-crashed-off-hawaii-and-killed-the-woman-who-published-president-obama-s-birth-certificate.txt 20 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 21 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 22 In the final moments of her life, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, while floating in the water. Fuddy, who became widely known in 2011 for her role in making President Barack Obama’s birth certificate public, held hands with Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal. http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/state-wire/survivor-recounts-plane-crash-killed-fuddy#sthash.KpCCTidu.dpuf 23 Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her. The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11. The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean. Maui police have said her death was the result of an irregular heartbeat triggered by stress. The autopsy said the acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. Maui County cited privacy laws for redacting significant portions of the report. http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140310_Autopsy_report_said_health_director_was_markedly_afraid_after_plane_crash 24 http://khon2.com/2014/03/11/autopsy-reveals-fuddys-final-moments-after-crash/ 25 http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-lawyer-files-request-fuddy-autopsy/ 26 Email On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM, from Linda Jordan to Orly Taitz. I was just curious if they gave you a copy of the autopsy like they did the AP? And if they did not, why not? You did request one right? LJ they did not provide me with any answer and right now I do not have the money to file yet another law suit in HI to get it (Orly Taitz) 27 March 26, 2014 TO: Public Records Officer Coroner and Medical Examiner’s Office of Maui County RE: Request for Public Record Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy The Associated Press reported on March 12th, 2014 that they had received a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Fuddy conducted by Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner for Maui County. I am requesting a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy aka Loretta Deliana Fuddy under the Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. Fuddy’s date of death was reported as December 11, 2013. Date of autopsy reported as December 12 or 13, 2013. I will pay the cost of copies and mailing. Electronic transfer would be acceptable also. Thank you, Linda Jordan Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 28 Hyperventilation brought on by panic or fear rarely results in death. 29 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 30 http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 31 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html
Yeah, they would. There is a lot at stake.
But this theory is that one of the survivors drowned her or otherwise killed her. That doesn’t work if the plan was to kill everyone.
That’s not what I said. I noted that the moderator first gagged me (I’ll add here that this was at the same time that the fogbower ringleader said that her “sock puppets” were getting a rest - and about the same time that you, mr humblegunner, were acting really frustrated with me...),
then refused to let me post a new thread about new content...
then broke FR protocols to put my “Bloggers” thread into “Breaking News”....
then gagged at least one of my supporters....
then changed the name of the thread every half-hour or so...
while the fogblower sock puppets came in and took over the thread (while on fogbow they were discussing what should be said next, and voila! it appeared...)...
and then closed the thread when people came to challenge the sock puppets, deleting the comments at the end so that all that stands is the sock puppet theatrics that had been staged, from start to finish, by the fogbowers.
THAT’s what I’m talking about.
That all A-OK with you, humblegunner? Is that what Free Republic is all about, in your estimation?
Thanks, nully.
Who needs man-parts when you’ve got anonymity - outside of the reach of anybody knowing who you are so you can pull these kinds of stunts with no recourse for the Freepers except to complain and/or cut off donations?
The Founding Fathers knew that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Without the disinfecting power of light, germs grow. And kill.
And if the moderator in question doesn’t like me talking about this they have the absolute power to get rid of me on this board. We all know that. If I disappear people can guess what may have happened. And they may be able to guess the immediate reason why. The question is why this person is a moderator on Free Republic, after the displayed collusion with fogbow.
There are a number of possibilities, including that the plane was sabotaged, that a smooth ditching was anticipated (or actually, that she was poisoned and the disabled plane, either successfully landed at the destination and unable to take off, or landed with a problem precluding takeoff) would further delay any medical assistance for the poisoned Fuddy). Keep in mind the initial delay, and how that would have brought Mr. Murphy into the plan, should there have been one.
I won't say it is impossible that Fuddy's death is pure coincidence and the result of natural causes, but Considering the sheer convenience of having a silenced witness for powers which stand to gain greatly from her demise, there is reason enough to suspect foul play.
Motive
Means
Opportunity...
To quote you, that's not what I said.
I wouldn't know what was discussed elsewhere or even what a fogblow is.
My point is that for anything that happens, real or perceived, you handily assign some conspiratorial attributes to it and weave it into your tapestry of persecution and intrigue.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and your declaration that one of the FR moderators is, in your kinder estimation, a "shill", or worse - part of the Obama regime's cyber-minions clearly puts you well into the realm of "kook".
Now, you can sputter about Alinsky and Obama and how Microsoft messed with your computer and mystery divers and midget caskets and all that.. everyone needs a hobby.
But honestly.. don't assign sinister motives to folks who don't buy all that mess.
“She wasn’t having a cow about it or anything,” said Hollstein.
It’s okay , operation Stalk Butter found it. :)
The image with the light area around the contour of the plane is at http://khnl.images.worldnow.com/images/3099785_G.jpg
The image with the other signs of photoshopping is at http://khnl.images.worldnow.com/images/3099786_G.jpg You can see some of the same lightening around the contour of the plane, on the left side of the image. All the Lang photos can be accessed at http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/slideshow?widgetid=99139
At http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/a-closer-look-at-langs-photos/ I noted some of the evidence of photoshop and/or this being a different plane.
Actually the quote was about Nixon, and the "media person" was Pauline Kael, who always denied the quote.
Thanks Butter,
there are anomalies. ..Will look at them later. :)
The extra people in the water seem to be hanging around each passenger as if the goal is to keep them safe. I believe this was planned specifically to keep everybody safe but to provide an excuse for Fuddy to end up “dead”. Her heart is healthy, according to her brother, so if they wanted it to be a heart attack, etc they had to have some kind of traumatic cover story. Or they could claim that she was caught in the fuselage. It seems like they got their cover stories screwed up though because they tried claiming both.
And the media reported a death before anybody could have known that. At 5:17 the USCG was calling somebody in “critical” condition. That’s right around the time they reported that all the passengers were accounted for on shore, and Fuddy was the last passenger picked up by the UZSCG, according to the news interviews with the rescue swimmers (although the USCG case report doesn’t fit that account either). And around that time they kept saying that 8 were non-critical. So unless they’re admitting to 10 people on board, that “critical” person had to be Fuddy. There’s no way the people involved would have LEGITIMATELY reported to the media that one was dead by 4:40, when that media report came out.
And I won’t even go into how mixed-up the claims of who picked up who are. Like I’ve said before, almost EVERY detail of this story is contradicted at least once if not several times in the official records and the accounts by the “eyewitnesses”.
I’ve had a very experienced pilot tell me that if his conscience would allow him to do it he would have no problem faking an engine failure, and this is precisely the layout he’d use if he wanted everybody to survive. (BTW, the NTSB says that about 8% of all the plane crashes they investigate are ruled to be deliberate - either for insurance fraud or for more nefarious reasons. And with the NTSB-investigated engine-failure crashes this Cessna 208B has had (2 in the 30 or so years before 2011, and 2 within 50 days of each other in 2011), there were no casualties until this one, and this one isn’t even claimed to be from injuries from the crash).
You can make it look like an engine failure by turning off the fuel (creates a warning) and/or going slowly enough that the stall warning goes off (which is what is most likely heard in the Puentes video). He’d do it right after takeoff, close to shore, and get as close to shore as possible so the people who were supposed to survive could make it to shore (as did Hollstein, and there’s another gal behind Puentes who is awfully close to shore, and the reports from the Molokai lookout tower and from medics on-scene at the airport are that more than just Hollstein swam to shore - indicating that even they knew there were extra people out there in the water. In fact, one of the CAD communications says that flat-out, that he didn’t think everybody on shore was among the people listed as on the plane...)
This being a planned ditching, with extra people on board in the cargo area and/or delivered to the area by aircraft present at the time, to keep the other passengers safe, would explain the things we see - that don’t make sense if this was a real accident. Most of all, it fits what’s in Puentes’ actual video, heavily edited and aired by ABC.
The “moderator” did very little of that. I’m the culprit on most of it. Continue posting nutcase conspiracy garbage to FR, I might take it further.
Why did that FR moderator go out of the way to break FR protocols and put a blog post in “Breaking News”?
How often does a moderator make a point to change the title of a thread every half-hour or so?
Why was I gagged, at the precise time as the ringleader at fogbow, who brags about her “sock puppets”, said her “sock puppets” were “having a rest”?
Why was one of my supporters gagged when the “sock puppets” were overrunning the thread that was having its name changed all the time?
Why was the thread left standing to view without allowing any more posts once people arrived to challenge the “sock puppets”? The posts challenging the “sock puppets” were deleted and used as an excuse to lock the thread before anybody had a chance to come in and challenge the “revised reality” that the fobgblowers had set up in that thread - allowing for the mantra you hear now: that “everybody” knows my claims have been refuted already. Funny how that happens...
Genuine Freepers are not stupid. They saw what happened. It’s time to call a spade, a spade. There is a moderator here who is working with fogbow. And in case people don’t realize it, the fogblowers are constantly bragging about being their “sock puppet” accounts. They talk about throwing in some “crazy garbage” imbetween their “reasonable claims” so they can keep people believing that they are real Freepers and not out to sabotage this place. This is exactly what Van Jones was talking about - people posing as conservatives so they can change the perception of what people are really thinking.
And at fogbow you can see the crowning glory of the little stunt they pulled here. They are saying that even Freepers know I’m crazy, etc.... All as a result of a moderator here keeping the real Freepers from being a counterbalance to the fogbow trolls/sock puppets. Through the UNETHICAL practices I mentioned above, which are antithetical to everything Free Republic stands for.
This is not what Freepers contribute in the Freepathons to see happen. If they wanted to hide the truth and shut up the people coming forward with evidence, they’d contribute to ABC. Like the Freeper who warned ABC to pixelate their videos.
The quickest way to rob a bank is to disable the alarm system without anybody knowing you’ve done it. The most dangerous alarm system there is, is one that people wrongly believe is still turned on. The regime is not stupid. They need Free Republic to appear to be intact, while actually infiltrated by government minders. Minders who will do what the fogbowers are interested in.
And there it was, right in front of us all. Freepers who saw what happened, now you know why. Now you know how and when. What you don’t know is who. We’re not allowed to know that.
You posted the thread to Breaking News?
You wouldn’t allow me to post a new thread about new content?
You changed the title every half-hour or so?
You gagged people?
You gagged me on Saturday morning?
You closed the thread once people appeared to challenge the “nobody believes you” fogbow hype?
If so, why would you do any of those things?
Don’t let the door hit ya.
It was garbage.
If it was garbage then Freepers would have found that out and debunked it. Freepers are the best researchers. Or they have been in the past. If they’re not allowed to continue to be, then Free Republic has lost its saltiness.
Garbage is garbage. Why waste our time and resources on garbage?
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