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Is the Cold Fusion Revolution Here?
Cold Fusion3.com ^ | March 8, 2014 | | admin

Posted on 03/08/2014 6:43:45 PM PST by Kevmo

Is the Cold Fusion Revolution Here? Published March 8, 2014 |

There seems to be a lot happening in the world of cold fusion/low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) right now. So we can now rightly say that a cold fusion revolution could be beginning.

Some of the most important developments include:

Peter Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz’s 2014 Cold Fusion Independent Activities Period (IAP) Course at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in January. Jerry Rys the Alien Scientist blogger attended the course and created a great video about it which does an excellent job of describing cold fusion what cold fusion is and laying out its early history. In particular Rys does a tremendous job of describing the science in such a way that even a history major like me could understand.

He doesn’t seem to be up on recent developments but hopefully that will change. The video is worth watching and showing to cold fusion skeptics. He also makes one important point:

Mitchell Swartz at work

“While critics and skeptics like to call cold fusion pathological science in light of recent events it seems that their denial is pathological,” Rys says of the skeptics. Rys seems to hit the nail on the head here. Rys has posted all of Swartz and Hagelstein’s lectures on his website.

He notes that Swartz started out as a skeptic who was out to debunk LENR. After doing some real research Swartz became a true believer and recently launched NANORTech a company working to commercialize cold fusion. Swartz has essentially been blacklisted by big science they’ll probably forgive him when he makes a billion dollars.

The IAP is really a set of lectures and not a course. There is no credit attached, Hagelstein himself noted that working in LENR can destroy your scientific career in Big Science.

Scenes from the 2014 MIT Cold Fusion IAP

Yet another cold fusion patent has been granted by the US Patent Office to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. USA.

EP 1202290 B1 issued on December 4, 2013, issues a patent for a “Nuclide Transmutation Device and Nuclide Transmutation Method” which would be used as a disposal process for long lived nuclear waste.

The US Patent Office it seems has quietly changed its mind about cold fusion and one of the world’s largest corporations is interested in it. I wonder what the big oil conspiracy theorists will make of this.

NASA is still showing a lot of interest in LENR aircraft. Its Aeronautics Research Institute discussed an LENR aircraft. A slide from the conference shows a giant aircraft called a comfortable global transport with a flight range of 12,500 miles and minimal noise pollution. It also mentions an autonomous package delivery package in other words a drone. That sounds like the US Air Force is interested in LENR.

Over in the United Kingdom Her Majesty’s military like the Pentagon is also interested in LENR. A PDF document put out by the UK’s Ministry of Defense called Global Strategic Trends Out to 2040 actually mentions LENR as something that strategists should worry about. It states:

“For example, the development of commercially available cold fusion reactors could result in the rapid economic marginalization of oil-rich states. This loss of status and income in undiversified economies could lead to state-failure and provide opportunities for extremist groups to rise in influence.”

Basically British generals and admirals think a new energy source is about to appear and that energy source will cause the collapse of states and governments reliant on oil profits such as Venezuela, Nigeria Saudi Arabia and Russia. It names that energy source as cold fusion.

That means the cold fusion revolution will be neither peaceful nor entirely beneficial. It will bankrupt some people and could increase political instability. The military men it seems believe in cold fusion if the so called scientists do not.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: bollocks; canr; cmns; coldfusion; kevmo; lenr
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To: Lx
1) Has anyone asked for a nanor device? I’m pretty sure they’ll kick one down for almost nothing and you could experiment to your heart’s content.

I'm pretty sure the MFMP are getting one.

2) What was the name of the researcher who had the two spheres in a bath during a conference and one generated a regular amount of heat energy? He cut them both open after the conference and they both appeared hollow although I’m pretty sure the hot one had hydrogen in it. Also, what type of LENR was it using, P&F cell or Rossi type LENR???

It was Cravens, a well known LENR researcher. It was deuterium, so it would have been a classic P&F type cell, to follow your designation.

3) I’m still trying to read the book Excess heat; it’s very interesting. The book’s copyright is 2002 so why has no decent theory come out yet?

There are a bunch of decent

theories.
There are a bunch of theories for High Temperature Superconductivity as well, and that field has had no shortage of funds thrown at it. It resemble LENR in several ways, starting with Condensed Matter physics. Also, there are a bunch of different theories about how gravity works, but none are generally accepted. There's a law of gravity, but no accepted theory of gravity.

4) Is MIT teaching anything on LENR at their campus? Someone said that they would believe LENR works if MIT is teaching it although I don’t know how they get around the fact that they originally went out of their way to say that nothing was there. Did they blow off LENR so they could get a head start on it?

Right here in this article: Peter Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz’s 2014 Cold Fusion Independent Activities Period (IAP) Course at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in January. He notes that Cold Fusion is a career killer.

5) Still not a peep out of BLP. I don’t know if that is good or bad. I expected them to have a controlled experiment that showed excess heat but they called it off. It could mean that the cells didn’t work and this could be something honest out of BLP although I doubt it based on their past press releases.

It isn't good for LENR. BLP's reputation is worse than Rossi's, it would seem.

6) Are Rossi’s new investors that pumped in over $10 million dollars going to publish anything??? Has anyone asked to be part of the free energy from the 1MW plant yet; where are they on that offer?

There's supposed to be some independent study coming out in April, but Rossi will be late as usual. This is a business now, so they'll need to do what it takes to generate ROI.

7) What happened to Defkalion?

I haven't heard anything. They gave a demo last year, seeming to follow in Rossi's footsteps of not doing it right. My impression of Defkalion was that they basically stole Rossi's technology when they worked with him, and they know even less than he does about how it works.

If this is real and can be harnessed, it will be the equivalent of our generation’s heavier than air flight or atom bomb. At least we got to see the Internet born. I’m sure the EPA has already generated thousands of pages of regulations if someone comes out with a working plant. If it’s not real, then it can be our generation’s Keely motor company.

If LENR breaks out, it will have a similar level of impact that gunpowder did. If it's "not real" or "can't be harnessed" then it is the most baffling scientific development since High Temperature Superconductivity.

141 posted on 03/11/2014 8:03:51 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Gee, it only took 50 years and hundreds of $billions to reach supposed breakeven, for a billionth of a second. Where’s my CHF car? It’s an obvious scam.


142 posted on 03/11/2014 8:26:37 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
I'm pretty sure the MFMP are getting one.

The nanor is extremely simple. If I knew how to do proper calorimetry, I would get one. Designing a control circuit is the trivial part. I just tried to find the place where you could order one and can't find it now although it has been only a month or two since I've seen it.

It was Cravens, a well known LENR researcher. It was deuterium, so it would have been a classic P&F type cell, to follow your designation.

Cravens is the correct guy. The link I just read is that the experiment was based on a Patterson cell.

There are a bunch of decent theories. There are a bunch of theories for High Temperature Superconductivity as well, and that field has had no shortage of funds thrown at it. It resemble LENR in several ways, starting with Condensed Matter physics. Also, there are a bunch of different theories about how gravity works, but none are generally accepted. There's a law of gravity, but no accepted theory of gravity.

Well, although you don't need an exact theory to produce a working device, it seems every device that produces anomalous heat fails to scale up and although I have no doubt that someone will crack that problem with enough experiments, a working theory would make scaling it up easier.

Right here in this article: Peter Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz’s 2014 Cold Fusion Independent Activities Period (IAP) Course at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in January. He notes that Cold Fusion is a career killer.

Is a LENR class part of the regular MIT syllabus??? Kind of funny that someone at MIT says cold fusion is a career killer considering that MIT tried to kill off P&F.

It isn't good for LENR. BLP's reputation is worse than Rossi's, it would seem.

That seems hard to believe but it is true and they've had over $60 million invested which is why it's hard to get excited about the VC firm that is pumping over $11 million into Rossi but it is good in that we will probably know sooner if there is something there unless the VC folks don't want to admit they were scammed if that is what eventually happens. We will see.

There's supposed to be some independent study coming out in April, but Rossi will be late as usual. This is a business now, so they'll need to do what it takes to generate ROI.

Well, he can't say he is lacking funds although I bet there's some hard core NDAs from both sides but again, BLP has received over $60 million in investments.

I haven't heard anything. They gave a demo last year, seeming to follow in Rossi's footsteps of not doing it right. My impression of Defkalion was that they basically stole Rossi's technology when they worked with him, and they know even less than he does about how it works.

It appears that Rossi let too much out of the bag or he scammed them and didn't show the real goods if they exist. I thought they had moved from Greece to the US?

If LENR breaks out, it will have a similar level of impact that gunpowder did. If it's "not real" or "can't be harnessed" then it is the most baffling scientific development since High Temperature Superconductivity.

I hope it's not like gun powder, the Chinese had gun powder for many centuries.

I thought that they had high temperature super conductors (high being relative) in use?

Has anyone tried to get the 1MW plant that Rossi is offering for free, all they have to do is pay for the energy used? He's offering a COP of 6 so it should be easy to tell if it is working. That would clear up whether Rossi has anything pretty quick but BLP had contracts with a couple power agencies in 2008 and never produced a drop of electricity although it probably helped to raise funds.

143 posted on 03/11/2014 8:39:25 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Kevmo

“even for $1.5M, a Rossi Reactor”

Not 1.5 m. Only $19,999 plus shipping and handling. I got the TV special last night. Buy one get second free.


144 posted on 03/11/2014 9:22:35 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Kevmo

“We also don’t know what causes acceleration due to gravity, and that sure as hell exists, too. “

But I can replicate the gravity experiment ...


145 posted on 03/11/2014 9:25:35 AM PDT by TexasGator
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I sure wish you would.
146 posted on 03/11/2014 9:41:30 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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147 posted on 03/11/2014 9:46:41 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Lx

Is a LENR class part of the regular MIT syllabus???
***Nope.

It appears that Rossi let too much out of the bag or he scammed them and didn’t show the real goods if they exist. I thought they had moved from Greece to the US?
***I thought they were in Canada. It doesn’t matter much. I think it was the case of Rossi letting too much out of the bag. He’s a murcurial personality and it’s a good bet that the Defkalion guys got sick of him & told themselves, “if this buffoon can generate excess heat then so can we”. But I doubt they started from scratch — they simply stole a device or 2 from Rossi before they split from him.

I thought that they had high temperature super conductors (high being relative) in use?
***They are, but they’re far from room temperature superconductors, there’s no theory to how they work, and we don’t really have them propping up Maglev trains or have them in our transmission lines everywhere, do we?

Has anyone tried to get the 1MW plant that Rossi is offering for free, all they have to do is pay for the energy used?
***That’s in Sweden. Turns out you have to live in Sweden in order to take delivery. http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/09/on-the-swedish-showcase-e-cat-plant/


148 posted on 03/11/2014 9:59:47 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Then I suppose posts #144 and 145 are examples of you keeping your word.
149 posted on 03/11/2014 10:34:11 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
Consistent? Where do you get that ridiculous anti-scientific requirement?

It goes along with 'reproducible.'

I think this topic is close to a religious crusade for some. I'll leave it to you.

150 posted on 03/11/2014 11:50:30 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Kevmo; Lx
"It was Cravens, a well known LENR researcher. It was deuterium, so it would have been a classic P&F type cell, to follow your designation."

Not quite. A classic P & F cell would involve electrolysis. Cravens setup is more nearly a classic Arata (gas loaded) cell.

151 posted on 03/11/2014 12:14:51 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Cravens setup is more nearly a classic Arata (gas loaded) cell.”

Amazing. These dudes never put on a clean demo.

From the Craven report ....


The demo was about as simple a demo as you can imagine. It wasn’t designed to be a scientific experiment. It wasn’t designed for exacting measurements.


152 posted on 03/11/2014 2:48:21 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
" Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not."
153 posted on 03/11/2014 3:04:17 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: D-fendr
Consistent isn't a requirement in science. It is a requirement in industry.

The fact that you are imposing industrial standards on LENR reveals how high your expectations really are. It is 50 years ahead of CHF because CHF only recently got to breakeven, for a billionth of a second, after hundreds of $billions were spent on that goal.
154 posted on 03/11/2014 3:17:59 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Cravens setup is more nearly a classic Arata (gas loaded) cell. “

Loaded with Hydrogen. Between the chemical heating provided by the hydrogen and the self-heating thermistors he used, there was plenty of energy to get the ‘1 watt’ he claims.


155 posted on 03/11/2014 3:19:28 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
" Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not."
156 posted on 03/11/2014 4:18:50 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Kevmo

>>”Consistent isn’t a requirement in science..”

If it the results are not consistent, it ain’t reproduced. And if it ain’t reproducible...


157 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:07 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: TexasGator

I thought there were two identical spheres. One was the control and the other was the active one. There were in a bath and the entire setup was open for inspection during the seminar. Afterwards, he cut open both and they were hollow although the active one had hydrogen in it.
The hydrogen wasn’t continuously fed, I think the sphere was charged and that was it.

While it would be easy to fake, I would think the attendees would have seen something and from what I remember, it ran for a long time.

Cravens was never going to power a turbine but it was a proof of concept. That is why if I knew calorimetry, I would get ten nanors and set them up to see if there’s anything there. The electronic control circuit is simple and if you use D/C, it is simple arithmetic to calculate power in. I have no idea how to determine how much heat output it creates or how you compare the heat output with the electrical power input. It would answer once and for all if there is something there.


158 posted on 03/11/2014 7:46:01 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: D-fendr
If it the results are not consistent, it ain’t reproduced

. Incredible. Amazing. By your reckoning, Dolly the Sheep does not exist because when they tried to clone her, the results were far from consistent. 99,999 failures. One success. But by your anti-scientific Luddite standard, it ain't reproduced.


159 posted on 03/11/2014 10:28:35 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Lx
"I thought there were two identical spheres. One was the control and the other was the active one. There were in a bath and the entire setup was open for inspection during the seminar. Afterwards, he cut open both and they were hollow although the active one had hydrogen in it. The hydrogen wasn’t continuously fed, I think the sphere was charged and that was it."

Your recollection is correct. That is precisely Cravens NI setup. Both spheres were immersed in a heated sand bath and their temperatures monitored.

160 posted on 03/12/2014 4:28:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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