What Do You See?

Good Morning America ^ | Feb 21, 2014 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

Remember that video of the plane crash in Hawaii after which Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy "died"?

You need to take a closer look.

[Greenperson]

OK. I’ll chime. My first impression was that the person is wearing blue jeans and is male.

As to whether or not it’s Fuddy’s jacket: The jacket is more than a sleeve and the entire thing is patterned. So where’s the rest of the jacket, if that part is one sleeve? The underlying blouse was magenta.

Off this topic, in re: http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/mcfd-incident-report/

I find it mildly interesting that Captain Godfrey K. Akaka of the fire dept. made this report, as the officer in charge. He seems to have the same middle name as Daniel K. Akaka: Kahikina. There’s a Godfrey Sr. (65) and a Jr. (44). Related to Daniel the Senator?

[First_Salute]

I'm so glad that you mentioned this (the Draeger).

I've been muttering about an earlier comment by somebody. Muttering because, I'm not so old yet, that I have forgotten diving and being comfortable in the water.

The earlier comment by somebody, attempted to intimidate butterdezillion under a guise of ostensibly attempting to come to her assistance; and that comment tried to convey that anything other than accepting, that, with a tank but no "flotation device," a person would quickly sink.

That's when I began to mutter; as I was certain, that I have seen a tank, plus minimal tank-mount-shoulder-and-waist attaching-points, plus mask-and-snorkel, and a body's native flotation capacity, plus the few bubbles that might have inhabited minimal-apparel ... all getting along just fine. Indeed, so well, that a weight belt would be required to control descent.

It would be no surprise to me, to find, that the aircraft crash-landing at sea, site, which was within swimming distance *for some of the aircraft's survivors,* would also be an area where any number of divers could be present. (It is, after all, Hawaii, where that probability is higher, than along the shores of the Missouri River or Red River, in December.)

I do not equate, diver and assassin, regarding the aircraft accident. I figure that the odds of a diver in the area, are pretty good. I figure that the odds of foul play, might be good, and evidence might be in the video and pic's related ... but insufficient evidence, for now, for me at least.

I figure that *everybody* in the water, could have not recorded in their minds, "Hey, there's a diver!" I also figure, that somebody could have noticed, something.

I also figure that the person taking the video (GoPro), might have been who "noticed something" and then pondered what butterdezillion observed, for some time, and then submitted his video to the news media, with the same notion, "What do you see?"

[First_Salute]

Your set of pic’s, are more clear, and they do seem to support your “leg cycling” hypothesis. Thanks.

[First_Salute]

Image 25 helped me to see better, the lugs of the sole of the shoe, if it is a shoe. Thanks.

[First_Salute]

Try the cache cleaner, CCleaner, at www.piriform.com. The free version is plenty. Clearing cache, is easy.

http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/screenshots

[4Zoltan]

Look at post 614. The image in the top right corner. There is a sneakered foot breaking the surface of the water and causing a ripple. I’m not saying that’s Fuddy because it is the wrong type/color shoe, but it shows that other passengers lying on there backs were also breaching the surface with their feet.

This is the video to watch.

http://ondemand.abcnews.com/playback/abcnews/140111_ntl_mayday_1240_700.mp4

Starting at 3:30 and running for about 10 seconds. From just after the narrator says the plane floated for 25 minutes. The entire sequence is 10 seconds. You can see one foot come out of the water and then disappear and the other foot come out and then disappear.

[corlorde]

Where did she get the goggles? The scuba mask?

There are no goggles or scuba masks in any of these pictures.

[WildHighlander57]

Re #638 and #641, and those pics upthread of the person with white near torso and neck.

I agree with Greenperson, that it is of a male.

Medium build, bluejeans, dark short sleeve shirt.

Fits description of grey haired swimmer guy Phil.

Stepping through vid, during the cabin scenes with Ferd standing, show him with dark green short sleeve shirt & bluejeans.

[WildHighlander57]

Phil, not Ferd, has the dark green shortsleeve shirt.

[butterdezillion]

Can you send a screenshot of the green shirt and blue jeans inside the cabin?

[WildHighlander57]

Check your mail :)

[Fred Nerks]

Sometimes it's a good idea to walk away from a problem and come back later to look at it again. You had ten similar images in one sequence, which I took to be of the same person, although I couldn't see Fuddy's sleeve in all of them, I assumed, because they were one after the other, you were showing video stills of the same individual.

It's NOT the same person is it? One of them looks like it could be Yamamoto. His is the muscular looking arm, and Fuddy is the one with the white sleeve with the faint traces of the purple pattern showing.

[Fred Nerks]

And looking even further, if that’s an arm beneath the white sleeve of Fuddy, then it’s possible what I see is Yamamoto’s arm around her.
If that’s what I see, then who-ever prepared the video stills would have seen a whole lot more than I can see.

[butterdezillion]

It’s the same person. It’s different views (some from the bandicam recording as they appeared, some from the bandicam recording in vertical orientation, and some from straight screenshots off the computer so they were clearer) of the same 4(IIRC) images that had come in sequence there briefly before the camera moved back to Kawasaki and the 7o-year-old guy, who it turns out were holding onto a cushion.

I doubt that the white thing could have appeared and disappeared within one frame so it seems like Puentes and/or ABC edited out some frames, but from the clothes, the shape, the position, the gear, etc, this seems to be the same person.

[WildHighlander57]

Also, looking at the “part two” pix on your blog,

The picture # ZG of three people, viewed left to right, is of white shirt guy, Nike shoes guy, and the elbow of person in question.

It puts the next underwater pix # ZH, #ZI, #ZL, and #ZO in context; we are looking at varying views of that group. And the details.

In the above water pics of the same sequence of people, going left to right, its white shirt guy (captain), Nike guy next to him, and green shirt guy in the area, between those two and the plane.

Ms F and Y are still near the door.

It doesn’t look like that white band appears in any of the sequence of pix mentioned above, except that one that is being discussed upthread.

[butterdezillion]

We can’t go by that though, because this was supposed to have been taken when they were away from the wing. Remember, the camera dipped below the water to get away from the image of what was going on with the place where Fuddy’s life jacket had been while Jacob and Yamamoto looked on.

In the GMA video the underwater clip included only the guy with the dark face - didn’t go on to include the other stuff underwater - but that underwater dip was also at the time that something was being hidden, specifically whatever was happening with that equipment in the water beside Jacob.

So we have no way of knowing how badly-butchered this all is, or what the context really is. But it is presented in both ABC videos as if this was happening when they were all away from the wing. If so, then the position of the people near the wing doesn’t tell us anything.

Regardless of who these specific people are, the question is why they have goggles, mask, etc. If they were any of the people known to be on the plane according to the official reports, then when and how did they get this equipment?

[Fred Nerks]

If it's the same person, then it could have been Yamamoto holding onto Fuddy, and all you see of her is her arm in that sleeve. It's just an underwater image of their similar (but closer) postions as shown here:

[smokingfrog]

[WildHighlander57]

OK it is indeed apparent that the MSN have totally chopped this thing up :(

But we can start with the people in the cabin view(s) ID their clothes, and then begin matching them up with the above water and below water scenes.

However those scenes are presented....we can match em up no matter how much the MSM tries to fragment things.

Then see what are the “loose ends”, where are the combinations of clothes that do not match.

(Note to other readers: Don’t try to fit in what does not fit .... an older lady in a white/purple jacket and dark purple underblouse will not fit in the space occupied by a medium build Guy in shortsleeve dark shirt with bluish pants/wet blue jeans.... )

Again I note, that white band only shows up once in that batch of pix IIRC.

And the black and white shoes of the middle person of the three may have the Nike symbol on the sides.....

This matches one of the abovewater scenes.

Its a jigsaw puzzle :D

[Fred Nerks]

...(Note to other readers: Don’t try to fit in what does not fit .... an older lady in a white/purple jacket and dark purple underblouse will not fit in the space occupied by a medium build Guy in shortsleeve dark shirt with bluish pants/wet blue jeans.... )

But if that medium build guy in shortsleeve dark shirt with bluish pants/wet blue jeans...is holding onto the older lady in a white/purple jacket and all we can see of her from underneath is the sleeve of her jacket, then we know what we are looking at is Yamamoto and Fuddy.

From below the surface, you aren't going to see anything of Fuddy because her feet were floating on the surface and her knees were visble.