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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 50 DECEMBER 13, 2013
Free Republic | 12/13/2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 12/13/2013 12:25:11 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobby
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To: Daffynition

Wow. This is why we no longer feed the birds. Cougars? That would scare me more than bears, I think.


321 posted on 12/17/2013 9:17:16 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; Marcella; greeneyes
I wonder how to tell if what you have is biodegradable. Marcella's sources suddenly became "green" when she didn't want biodegradable. I'll look it up and report back if I find a feasible-sounding answer.

I don't have peanuts but I do have large pieces of packing foam since we live in the middle of nowhere and have to have things shipped if they're not locally available. Poking holes in that stuff would work, too, I imagine. However, we have no shortage of rocks, lol!

322 posted on 12/17/2013 9:33:18 AM PST by Silentgypsy (Mondays should be outlawed.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Yes, I would think that those large pieces/containers made of packing foam would work just as well.


323 posted on 12/17/2013 9:36:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...
Senate CSPAN - Drainage in Pots

It is not good to get up in the morning, make coffee, get downstairs, turn TV on to channel 59 to watch US Senate vote on cloture for the budget bill and expecting to watch the speeches afterward before the final budget bill is voted up or down, WHAT? The SENATE ISN'T ON THE CHANNEL ANYMORE. House CSPAN is still on 58 but the senate isn't on 59 anymore. I don't believe it and hit 59 several more times to make sure - TNT movie channel every time, my senate is gone.

What had the stupid cable company done? Where was my Senate? I looked at higher channels from there and, what the hell!, I now had MSNBC - Chris Matthews crazy man is now on my TV channel list - did they take off my senate and replace it with MSNBC - I'm getting very upset right about now. The channels just before my old senate channel showed it wasn't on one of those close channels, either.

I frantically hit channel 2, the beginning channel and started up - What? My Senate CSPAN is now on channel 7 instead of 59. And, I now have MSNBC, the Chris Matthews crazy man channel.

I have recovered now as I watch the senate on channel 7. I really thought they had taken the senate channel off and I was thinking what I could do about that - like they give me back my senate or I cover their building which is on my shopping street, with honey and let bees sting them until they give me my senate back. :o)

On to the next problem, the holes in pots that need something between the holes and the potting soil mix so the holes won't plug up with dirt (I don't think that can happen, but everyone else seems to think it can). It is true dirt is coming out of those holes.

I found “Archovations Inc Better Than Rocks” to cut and place on the inside bottom of pots. At two places, it wouldn't get to me until January 3 and it costs a lot of money even for four pieces 12 inches square, from $26-28 plus $14 shipping.

If we started a company making plastic rocks, the right size for pots, in other words, not big rocks, but smaller rocks, that wouldn't turn to compost in a million years, we would make a fortune on this light weight, cheap in price, item.

I cannot find shipping peanuts that last a million years - you can't buy them. Office Depot has the right sized bag for what I need, around $8, but it is biodegradable. The rest they have are enormous amounts of it starting in the $20s and it doesn't say it is bio or not but I bet it is. It appears to me you can't buy million year peanuts anymore.

Solution:
I am gong to use “Marcella's Theory of Physics” to put layers of netting made out of million year plastic, in the bottom of those pots. You will say the net is so easy to mash down, the weight of he dirt will make the net flat and not work. That is where “Marcella's Theory of Physics” can refute your sorry, mean, you must hate me, :o), criticism of my net theory. Here is the well thought out “Marcella's Theory of Physics”:

“Something is something and no matter how hard you mash it, it is still something.”

That is my profound physics truth. Now, take that truth and use enough “something” so the applied pressure can only compress it as far as you want it to. One layer of net has too many holes to let dirt through, but use many layers going different directions and it is difficult for dirt to get through. Those many layers also put more “something” between the dirt pressure and bottom of pot, keeping the “something” thicker. Even one layer is “something” and you can't get rid of that “something” even though it is thin - just add more of that something and it is thicker and always between the dirt and the pot.

I'm using layers of net “something” today in the bottom of the pots and planting those blackberry plants. It won't cost me extra money and I have enough net to cover my whole town (well, maybe not that much), and it won't take a huge amount for those three big containers and there is plenty of net to cover the inside bottoms of all the containers I have in this room which is 25 containers.

324 posted on 12/17/2013 11:03:09 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella

Wow! If nothing else, this will be an interesting experiment. :)


325 posted on 12/17/2013 11:09:55 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...

Look at this beautifully put together garden in a front yard and the lady had to pull up all the veggies due to dump Florida town.

Her garden layout in spectacular and would be a joy to walk around in there admiring it and she had to pull up veggies. She could grow fruit but not a veggie. Read the article and see she had a lawyer with a group come to her aid so they go to court but she still had to pull up those veggies.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3102673/posts


326 posted on 12/17/2013 12:10:28 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: sockmonkey

What a clever idea. Thanks for sharing.


327 posted on 12/17/2013 1:08:59 PM PST by tillacum
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To: left that other site

Have you ever tasted muck tuck?


328 posted on 12/17/2013 1:18:49 PM PST by tillacum
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To: Marcella

I’m glad I’m out in the county. The only rule here is that you have to have a septic tank.


329 posted on 12/17/2013 1:23:50 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Mondays should be outlawed.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...

I put off planting blackberry plants today - got a call from engineer Roy, he was sent to Katy where he now is, where he picks up something, then tomorrow I think, can come by here or stay here, he isn’t sure yet about the staying, to go to Liberty where he needs to fix something they can’t fix and it could take two days to fix it.

When he shows up, he can help me get net and potting soil mix in those three big containers. No point in doing it myself when he can help.


330 posted on 12/17/2013 1:37:42 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Marcella; trisham; greeneyes; All
This is what I found on ehow: "Types/Colors Packing peanuts come in three different colors to help distinguish their makeup and specific purpose. The most common are white packing peanuts; the color indicates that they are at made up of at least 70 percent non-recycled material. The green packing peanuts are the most environmentally friendly and are made up of at least 70 percent recycled content. The color pink indicates that the packing peanuts have been treated with a chemical to reduce static cling, which is useful when shipping electronics, according to the Void Fill Packaging website. Health Concerns Styrofoam packing peanuts contain toxic chemicals. As a result, they can cause a variety of health concerns. At certain levels of exposure, these toxic chemicals can have an effect on the nervous system, resulting in fatigue, weakness, nausea, depression and loss of concentration, according to the Planet Green website."

Plastic peanuts

The biodegradable ones are made of starch and other stuff. Will keep looking.

331 posted on 12/17/2013 1:44:40 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Mondays should be outlawed.)
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To: Silentgypsy

Holy cow. Thank you, Silentgypsy!


332 posted on 12/17/2013 2:28:28 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Silentgypsy; All

“Styrofoam packing peanuts contain toxic chemicals.”

Hmm, does anyone think the toxic chemicals would leach into the soil/plant?


333 posted on 12/17/2013 2:32:14 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Black Agnes; Marcella; sockmonkey; TEXOKIE; rightly_dividing; JRandomFreeper; greeneyes; fanfan; ...

I just found some of Diana’s Beneficial Bug Mix Seeds with some others and I’m not certain that these are exactly what she called for: blue bachelor buttons, marigolds; fennel; cornflowers; cosmos; and, I believe, one of the following: cilantro, dill, parsley, or rosemary. I apologize if I left someone out.


334 posted on 12/17/2013 2:32:59 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Mondays should be outlawed.)
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To: Marcella

That concern was why I included it. I wonder if that’s an additional reason why it isn’t landfill material. Will look up absorption, routes, etc.


335 posted on 12/17/2013 2:39:30 PM PST by Silentgypsy (Mondays should be outlawed.)
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To: tillacum

Nooo...My Tribe’s tasdte rum from Solomon Gundy, Creamed Finnan Haddie, SOS, Lobster, and Moose! LOL!

Note: Do NOT try to bring Moose meat back into the USA.


336 posted on 12/17/2013 5:05:13 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Silentgypsy; Diana in Wisconsin

I think dill and cilantro are both included.... have it here some where...hold on...

Found it! Thanks Diana!

Orange Cosmos
Blue Bachelor Buttons
Calendula (yellow or orange)
Dill
Cilantro
Fennel
Borage
Parsley

Merry Christmas Everyone!


337 posted on 12/17/2013 6:08:26 PM PST by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: Marcella
Hmm, does anyone think the toxic chemicals would leach into the soil/plant?

Maybe, but if you look closely at the 'soil' in some greenhouse plants, it contains tiny bits of this stuff.

If you are concerned, I would take a bag of the peanuts, and leave it out in HOT sun, which will bake off volatiles. When it stinks not so much, you will have gotten rid of the lingering monomers and other smaller molecules. The polymer is too huge to be absorbed, most likely.
338 posted on 12/17/2013 8:34:19 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Marcella

Wife and I are both still sick, even worse. I think we are both going to see Dr Kyle S. in the morning. I wanted to loose weight, but not like this. Haven’t eaten very much since last Tuesday, and cant keep anything down. Bet I’ve lost 5lbs. Chest is full of boiling goop. We are both coughing and gagging.

This is not helping any, either:

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/mystery-illness-claims-4-lives-in-montgomery-county/


339 posted on 12/17/2013 9:06:00 PM PST by rightly_dividing (2 Tim. 2:15)
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To: rightly_dividing

Yes, go to doctor tomorrow for sure. I didn’t know about this illness and the deaths. I need to get some things at Kroger since I think the engineer will be here either Thursday or Friday so have to have more food in the house.

I will rush in and out of Kroger as quickly as possible and wash my hands when I get home. I’m not going anywhere other than there until they figure out what this disease is.

The article says this strange disease seems like flu but the people didn’t test positive for flu so they don’t know what it is.

Let me know how you are these next several days until you get better.


340 posted on 12/17/2013 9:42:58 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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