First Love Child of Human, Neanderthal Found

Discovery News ^ | 3-27-2012 | Jennifer Viegas

[Renfield]

The skeletal remains of an individual living in northern Italy 40,000-30,000 years ago are believed to be that of a human/Neanderthal hybrid, according to a paper in PLoS ONE.

If further analysis proves the theory correct, the remains belonged to the first known such hybrid, providing direct evidence that humans and Neanderthals interbred. Prior genetic research determined the DNA of people with European and Asian ancestry is 1 to 4 percent Neanderthal.

The present study focuses on the individual’s jaw, which was unearthed at a rock-shelter called Riparo di Mezzena in the Monti Lessini region of Italy. Both Neanderthals and modern humans inhabited Europe at the time.

“From the morphology of the lower jaw, the face of the Mezzena individual would have looked somehow intermediate between classic Neanderthals, who had a rather receding lower jaw (no chin), and the modern humans, who present a projecting lower jaw with a strongly developed chin,” co-author Silvana Condemi, an anthropologist, told Discovery News....

[SunkenCiv]

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Thanks Renfield. The Neandertal Enigma by James Shreeve in local libraries "Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127] Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

[allmendream]

A tigon bred with a tiger and produced a ti tigon. Google image and you cqn see one.

[allmendream]

Negative. Coyotes are not wolves. There are genetic differences, obvious morphology differences, and behavioral differences. And they rarely interbreed, but they are capable of doing so.

[Mr. K]

1) Come up with a Theory
2) Modify for Politcal correctness
3) Apply for Governemnt Grant
4) Repeat from (1) endlessly

[Betis70]

Aren’t coyotes Canis latrans, a different species than wolves/dogs, Canis lupus?

[allmendream]

Mules have fertility problems but offspring are not unknown. Are donkeys and horses the same species? Zedonks also can sometimes produce offspring. Are zebras and donkeys the same species?

[null and void]

66 posts. I bet it’s already too late for IBTHP...

[usconservative]

If you are of European or middle eastern ancestry you have some high quality, get the job done, hard headed Neanderthal genetics. Be thankful.

German & Austrian descent here with some Irish sprinkled in. One of the last known genetic defects of the Neanderthal race is identified as HLA-B27, an indicator for Ankylosing Spondylitis, which is a spontaneous fusing of the spine and joints, along with characteristics of a protruding chin and oversided knuckles. HLA-B27 explains much of why Neanderthals were portrayed with protruding chins and hunched backs. Ankylosing Spondylitis causes spontaneous fusion followed by curvature of the spine.

As luck would have it, I have that gene. Researched it to the hilt, it was spread by the Noords who, upon invading much of Europe "spread their seed" including primarily what are now known as German's Austrian's French and the like. Speculation was the Noords also routinely inter-bred with the Neanderthals, who, generations later bred with the Germans, Austrians, Irish, French, etc..

So when my wife calls me a knuckle dragging neanderthal, I simply grunt and say "yep."

[usconservative]

No, NO and NO!!! Those are human-PIG hybrids (specially that larger pic of Waxman. He’s the bastard homosexual lovechild of Porky Pig and his “companion.”)

[null and void]

Humans would not have tolerated crossbreeds amongst themselves.

Nor would they ever elect one president.

Just sayin'...

[null and void]

Shrinkage. Cold water...

[Vaquero]

I have pictures of my 3’boy some 20-30 years back playing with my harvested deer, pheasants and rabbits. I called them Neanderthal then. And they still fit the bill.

[null and void]

Blueflag ~ "...this is no big deal. No different than a Mastiff mating with a retriever."

Joe Sex-Pack ~ The retriever would beg to differ.

Perhaps the Cro-Mangon did, to no avail.

Varmintman believes that a Cro-Magnon would never find a Neanderthal sexually attractive, and no Neanderthal would ever rape a Cro-Magnon. I think he's wrong on both counts. No way we'll ever actually know who's right.

[null and void]

They are all the same species. Wolves, coyotes and Paris Hilton’s purse dog. One could argue domestic dogs are a subspecies, but that is just for the convenience of taxonomy, not genetics or biology.

One could also argue that Paris Hilton’s purse dog and a Great Dane are different species. Tab A will not fit into Slut B!

[null and void]

SLOT B. Sheesh!

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

When Richard “Dick” Leakey was out on an archaeological dig and had to relieve himself the one thing he was wary of was a Peking Man.

You takee leakee, Dr. Leakee?

[PapaBear3625]

You don't know it was a "love child", the parents might have been happily married. Once again, this is what Neanderthals actually looked like:

You spend a lot of your time shilling for Danny Vendramini, a director and producer with no discernible education in advanced biology (nor much a record as a director or producer), and his cheesy book. Over here is one of the sites debunking him.

[PapaBear3625]

I was taught that homo sapiens and neanderthal were two separate species, I was also taught that true hybrids are infertile. Modern horses don’t have donkey dna because their hybrid offspring, the mule, is infertile. If homo sapiens and neanderthal were truly two different species how can there be any neanderthal dna in modern humans?

There couldn't, therefore they were not separate species. There may have been a lot of genetic distance between Cro Mag and Neanderthal, but not enough to bar mixing. For example, although lions and tigers look very different, they can produce fertile offspring.

[PapaBear3625]

I mean, this was not just another racial group.....

So?

Consider the variation in appearance between all the various breeds of dogs. Nevertheless, the chihuahua, the mastiff, the pit bull, the golden retriever, and the poodle are all dogs, and will interbreed and produce viable offspring.

[PapaBear3625]

Really? Where can I see these fertile offspring? This is the first I have ever heard of this. When I look up Tiglon it is referred to as a sterile hybrid cross.

Liger fertility