Posted on 11/20/2011 3:29:07 PM PST by floridarunner01
Michael Gaynor, 25, completed his bachelor’s degree and certification to teach elementary and high-school physical education in May 2009, then set out during a recession to find that dream job.
Over the next two years, the quest would take him from substitute teaching and respite care work in Iowa, back to his parents’ home in Skokie; to Florida, where he waited tables, then back to Skokie; to Colorado as a substitute teacher, coach and camp counselor, then, back to Skokie.
“My moves back home were always transitional. They allowed me to save up money, not having to pay rent and utilities,” says Gaynor, who got a new job and moved out from his parents again last week.
A U.S. Census Bureau analysis earlier this month found that nearly one of every five young men in their mid-20s through mid-30s are either moving back home with their parents — or never left.
The report, America’s Families and Living Arrangements: 2011, found 19 percent of American men age 25 to 34 living in their parents’ homes — the highest level since 1960.
Only 10 percent of women in that age group were living at home with parents.
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Over The Hill To The Poor House 1. Oh how can it be they have driven Their father so helpless and old Oh God may their crimes be forgiven To perish out here in the cold Chorus: I’m old I’m helpless and feeble And the days of my youth have gone by And it’s over the hill to the poor house I must wander alone there to die 2. Long years since Mary was taken My faithful affectionate wife Since then I’ve been alone and forsaken [ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/over-the-hills-to-the-poor-house-lyrics-flatt-and-scruggs.html ] The light has died out of my life Chorus: 3. I gave them the house they were born in A deed to the farm and more I gave them the place that they lived on And now I am turned from its door 4. Oh me on the doorstep up yonder I’ve set with my babe’s on my knee No father so happy or fonder
Your solution might seem cold to some but I agree with you. If a person doesn’t learn to struggle, they will never achieve earned success.
I am not sure what has happened but the notion of struggling is being removed from the psyche of the American people. We used to be a country of pioneers. From the beginning of our nation we struggled. We created a great country and it was filled with hardworking people that struggled for a better life. These days, if the struggle gets difficult the first reaction is to let the government fix it. A once proud and self-reliant country is turning into a dependent mess.
Leni
“Neither are dummies.”
OK, but neither are educated by virtue of a degree in education, either.
“Face it... our economy is horrible.”
Not really. Some trades such as construction are in the dumps but some have zero unemployment. The technical trades, electrical engineering, computer programming, project/program management, etc., all are experiencing zero unemployment.
My daughter realizes that education is very “meta” and she needs to have a background in solid facts to go with it. Her husband’s a sociologist in training, her mom’s an amateur astronomer, and I’m a writer. She is taking what ever science courses she can fit in the rather tight curriculum.
You can’t let your prejudices go across all the field of education. Real schooling goes on despite the idiocy of educators as a whole.
Obviously not this case. There are real teachers out there, despite the schools.
>>You are not very logical. That is the nicest way I can say it. Men were hit much worse in this down turn. That is the facts.<<
That is an assertion.
>>I hope u never need a hand from your family. I hope even more your family never needs help from you until you learn humility.<<
A hand isn’t a handout.
>?>I suspect your under 35 and still live in a world not touched by true adversity. Maybe you are that rare person who overcomes everything without help from your friends and family.<<
I suspect you have never been more wrong in your life. I have cheese in my fridge older than that. Yes, I overcame all on my own 2 feet, as a man does. I help my family when they need it but so far I haven’t needed economic help from them — just love and emotional support (which is what family is supposed to provide).
>>I was like that, cocky, until I needed help. I’m a better MAN today.<<
A man who stands on his own 2 feet and meets life and overcomes adversity, sometimes by just being knocked down more than a peg, isn’t cocky. He is merely self-reliant and conversant in the school of hard knocks. But don’t feel bad about accepting help. We all need it from time to time.
But I think you misread the article.
>>So... it can be done. It’s just hard.<<
Anyone who hasn’t lived on ramen noodles (before they had cup-a-noodles much less microwaves) and home made hamburger helper (a treat once a week) and plain-jane beer (with the blue bar that said “Beer”), had milk-crate shelves and rummage sale couch and bed, walked to work and upgraded toan old hooptie held together by faith more than physics hasn’t really been tested.
And, in retrospect, it was fun living on wits and small $. It is amazing how clever you can be if you have to. I was particularly proud of my spool table and scrap-wood homemade coffee table.
Illegals (construction), outsourcing (IT departments and tech), greenism (manufacturing), housing market (construction).
>>Illegals (construction), outsourcing (IT departments and tech), greenism (manufacturing), housing market (construction).<<
Conjecture. And the article contains data that say that men are returning to the roost at twice the rate of women. Do you have data that say that male unemployment is twice that of women?
Yeah, what most people call poor doesn't really impress me. I mean, when you're hoarding ketchup and sugar packets from McDonalds, and sleeping on a slice of foam rubber on the floor, then I'll perk up and listen. Thoreau had nothing on me. And frankly, this is how I've lived most of my life.
You’re my kinda gal!
Quite a contrast to the girlie-boys in the article (and some on this thread)!
:)
Personally, I'll be damned if I move back home with mom and dad. Dad and I didn't get along when I lived there. We get along great as adults. He doesn't need a 33 year old moving back home.
“Someday, some of the hard-noses here will be old, sick and lame.....and will be praying one of their adult children will take them in.”
Well said. What goes around, comes around.
In my case I was a 20 year veteran "green-screen" system developer (IT) and lost my job Aug 30 2001. I plied my IT accumen as a stock operator as it could relate to a computerized stock charting tool. My efforts failed to pan out; I made $18k in 3.5 years (I needed $10k/yr for minimum living expenses). I ate through all of my cash and took to the liar-loan credit card cash advances to finance my capital "habit". I always paid my 0% liar-loan minimum payment each month.
It was when I was served papers that I was forced to take BK. I realized that things had taken a turn for the worse WAY before; not the last trade that went south...
The "No Worker Left Behind" program paid for college classes at the local college. Since completing my classes in May 2010 I had 2 interviews.
End of July 2011 I took on a job as a professional fund-raiser. I earn $7.40 / hr / 20 hr / wk.
MOM - not Dad - told me to save whatever I could. My parents are in their 70+'s and have health "issues" that are common that of the "Greatest Generation".
I've been hearing this for a while how I was going to be thrown under the bus for a while now. Imagine telling your kid that.
In any case: the edict from on high is that this month I paid my phone bill ($42 - including internet). Next month I'm expected to pay that AND into the Alva Edison retirement fund. The month thereafter: I pay both those bills AND assume auto-insurance to the tune of $80 / month on my '89 Buick LeSabre. If I could come up with the full amount I could save $20 / 6 month (bssed on the monthly-payment premium).
Last weekend I changed the oil for the first time since 2005 (about 10k miles). I drained about 2.5 qt of black liquid out of the crank-case after letting it drain for an hour. Next in line: replace the plugs that have 50k miles on them (since 1998). Check the wires w/ohm-meter.
Its one of them things: one has to have the gumption to pick up the slack where and WHEN one can.
I'll state this with certitude: back in the day I was offended by being charged $30 / month for "rent" (included food, shelter, clothing) by my parental "units". When I moved out in indignation, I moved into a temporary housing arrangment for $30 / wk (covering only shelter).
One qwexion: where did the good ol' days go?
I'll tell you this: my folks paid to keep me OUT of the house for the last 1/2 decade. Now they want me to assume responsibily for my personal expenses and I'm going to say: I can't afford it?
I am embarrassed to even present this account; things are what they are (largely in part due to what they were before now).
Perhaps Shirley McLain was incorrect in her role of The Turning Point that we must never have regrets for whatever we do in our lives. Sometimes, however, people make mistakes for no other reason than people make incorrect choices concerning their lives.
If a parent can sense there's no malice aforethought in their progeny, then why not afford them the opportunity to take advantage to "save" money? I state that only if its reasonable for their child to actually save any money whatsoever.
Back in my day my parents had no compunction to smack my head silly when the "dreaded letter" was received from the school; we know you.
Today I believe that there's WAY too much sentiment of: my kid's an angel; I'm going to SUE you for speaking badly to him / her. The consequences of that are attrocious...
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