Posted on 08/06/2011 4:11:06 PM PDT by Renfield
The Shipping of Michigan Copper across the Atlantic in the Bronze Age (Isle Royale and Keweenaw Peninsula, c. 2400BC-1200 BC)
Summary
Recent scientific literature has come to the conclusion that the major source of the copper that swept through the European Bronze Age after 2500 BC is unknown. However, these studies claim that the 10 tons of copper oxhide ingots recovered from the late Bronze Age (1300 BC) Uluburun shipwreck off the coast of Turkey was “extraordinarily pure” (more than 99.5% pure), and that it was not the product of smelting from ore. The oxhides are all brittle “blister copper”, with voids, slag bits, and oxides, created when the oxhides were made in multiple pourings outdoors over wood fires. Only Michigan Copper is of this purity, and it is known to have been mined in enormous quantities during the Bronze Age....
(Excerpt) Read more at grahamhancock.com ...
Almost two millennia later the Dutch bought Manhattan for some baubles. :’) The basis of trade is to offer something the other side doesn’t have to get something you need that they don’t value as highly as you do.
The Extraordinary Voyage
of Pytheas the Greek
by Barry CunliffePytheas of Massalia:
On the Ocean:
Text, Translation and Commentary
by Christina Horst RosemanNorth to Thule:
An Imagined Narrative
of the Famous Lost Sea Voyage
of Pytheas of Massalia in the 4th Century B.C.
by John Frye
and Harriet Frye
`The coasts of the mainland are inhabitated by Greeks living round a bay as large as the Maeotic, with its mouth nearly opposite that of the Caspian Sea.` [He bases it (``Face in the Orb of the Moon``) partly on beliefs current among the Celts of the British Isles, beliefs which can be traced among the Celtic Irish.
Furthermore he gives details of a crossing, in a much more specific and discussible form.`...
[Prior passage: `Far o`er the brine an isle Ogygian lies -distant from Britain 5 days` sail to the west there are three other islands, equidistant from Ogygia, and from one another, in the general direction of the setting sun...
Every thirtieth year, Sylla continues, when Saturn is in Taurus, men chosen by lot are sent forth in a flotilla of well-provisioned ships`]
`Now the forty-seventh parallel passes through the main outlet of the Gulf of St. Lawrence between Newfoundland and Cape Breton Island,; and it also grazes north end of the Caspian, that portion of the inland sea which most Greeks imagined to be a channel or mouth opening into the circumambient Ocean.` [49]
(Taurus = ox)
300~ A.D. Three 4th century Diocletian coins were found in Iceland in modern times [50]
49. Ashe, Land to the West, pp.3, 176-182, cites Plutarch, (2), Chapter 26
50. Ashe, Land To the West
[Note ``there are three other islands, equidistant from Ogygia, and from one another`
(Could this refer to the 3 peninsulas of the Great Lakes which are equidistant more or less from each other?? The distance from one end of the Great Lakes to the other is the same as the distance from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of St. Lawrence.)
`The coasts of the mainland are inhabitated by Greeks living round a bay as large as the Maeotic, with its mouth nearly opposite that of the Caspian Sea.` [He bases it (``Face in the Orb of the Moon``) partly on beliefs current among the Celts of the British Isles, beliefs which can be traced among the Celtic Irish.
Furthermore he gives details of a crossing, in a much more specific and discussible form.`...
[Prior passage: `Far o`er the brine an isle Ogygian lies -distant from Britain 5 days` sail to the west there are three other islands, equidistant from Ogygia, and from one another, in the general direction of the setting sun...
Every thirtieth year, Sylla continues, when Saturn is in Taurus, men chosen by lot are sent forth in a flotilla of well-provisioned ships`]
`Now the forty-seventh parallel passes through the main outlet of the Gulf of St. Lawrence between Newfoundland and Cape Breton Island,; and it also grazes north end of the Caspian, that portion of the inland sea which most Greeks imagined to be a channel or mouth opening into the circumambient Ocean.` [49]
(Taurus = ox)
300~ A.D. Three 4th century Diocletian coins were found in Iceland in modern times [50]
49. Ashe, Land to the West, pp.3, 176-182, cites Plutarch, (2), Chapter 26
50. Ashe, Land To the West
[Note ``there are three other islands, equidistant from Ogygia, and from one another`
(Could this refer to the 3 peninsulas of the Great Lakes which are equidistant more or less from each other?? The distance from one end of the Great Lakes to the other is the same as the distance from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of St. Lawrence.)
loose immigration laws back then.
Here’s a topic from the FRchives regarding what you mentioned in the new Swedish-Cyprus-Bronze Age connection.
Note: this topic is from . Graham Hancock dot com was the source of this one.
Note: this topic is from . Thanks agains Renfield. Update to the GGG ping.
From 2012 originally, at least he's not harping about the ******* Templars. Overall I think I'd have enjoyed "America Unearthed" more if he weren't so dodgy.
In this one, Scott Wolter searches for the Minoans without once mentioning Gavin Menzies even once. Doesn't mention Betty Meggers. As always, Scott's intellectual rigor makes "Curse of Oak Island" look like a real documentary.
A big thank you to whomever uploaded the episode early today, and thanks Google and YouTube for the copyright-ignoring algorithms that pushed it to the top of my vids list.
America Unearthed: BRONZE AGE CONNECTION FOUND (S1, E3) | Full Episode | History
History's Greatest Mystery Revealed
by Gavin Menzies
[passed 12 April 2020]
The Untold History of
the Peopling of the Americas
by Gavin Menzies and Ian Hudson
😂 Wolter is {has become} full of himself. He has discovered everything, like whats his name that discovered all the classic Ancient Biblical artifacts (was someone else looking?).
OTOH, I told you some time ago that I wrote Wolter and encouraged him to look into the pre-Columbian Great Lakes copper mining and the Old World demand during the Bronze Age.
As you say, he got drawn into the Templar mythology and then decided his destiny was to prove for all time the lack of divinity of Jesus Christ. I wrote him again and told him he had stepped into a deep fresh meadow muffin - to his own detriment.
He's in showbiz. While I don't expect much, I expect more. :^)
Oh, and when I set up that link for Betty Meggers, I was really thinking about Betty Sodders (a Michigander who died not all that long ago), but both women researched precolumbian copper mining and I'd linked Sodders (or somethin') back in this topic somewhere.
Well said - and also applies to Curse of Oak Island... They keep promising history changing data but keep firing a blunderbuss in all directions and never seem to hit anything. They have punched so many shafts in to the 'Money Pit' area of the island that it now is in risk of totally collapsing - finding nothing but some shards of pottery {neither Palestinian nor Sumerian!}
They'd never have lasted thi slong if the ratings hadn't been so strong and the show's budget helped finance the lunacy. Imagine -- the past two hundred some odd years of looking, using the best technology of the day, hasn't been able to defeat a group of ad hoc adventurers who used some block and tackle slung over a tree limb to build it.
“The captain eventually beat all odds and displayed the Ontonagon Boulder in Detroit for 10¢ a peek.”
Took the family on a little tourist attraction into an old gold mine in Idaho. Ride the little ore cart in, watch a demonstration of the drilling to place the explosives, etc.
The tour guide said the mine made more money as a tourist attraction than it ever did as a gold mine!
Thanks
Renfield's last post to FR was in 2014.
And that is one of those Oak Island myths - like that silly one about seven people must die before the treasure is found - that has no traceable provable basis in fact.
Yup. Probably one of those one-year bans and didn't come back.
Kinda my point. :^)
> The tour guide said the mine made more money as a tourist attraction than it ever did as a gold mine!
Sounds about right. :^)
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