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For Fully Mature Black Holes, Time Stands Still
Yahoo News ^ | 1-27-11 | Clara Moskowitz

Posted on 01/28/2011 5:33:22 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

The end of a black hole’s evolution may be a mind-bending kind of space-time independent of time. A new study proposes a method to tell how far any black hole is from reaching this end state.

Black holes are some of the weirdest things in the universe. They occur when mass is packed into a tiny volume, squished to its ultimate density.

Though observations suggest black holes are prevalent in the universe, scientists still don't really understand what goes on inside them. The equations of general relativity usually used to understand the physics of the universe break down in these cases.

"It is really beyond the physics we know," said Juan Antonio Valiente Kroon, a mathematician at Queen Mary, University of London. "To understand what happens inside a black hole, we need to invent new physics."

Mercifully, the physics for the end state of a black hole is somewhat simpler. A solution to the equations of general relativity was found that produced a situation called "Kerr spacetime." Scientists now think Kerr spacetime is what happens when a black hole has reached its final evolutionary state.

"Mainly the equations of relativity are so complex that for relativistic systems, the only way you can probe these equations is by means of computer," Valiente Kroon told SPACE.com. "Solutions like this Kerr solution are really exceptional. The Kerr solution is one of the few explicitly known solutions to general relativity that have a direct physical meaning."

Kerr spacetime is time-independent, meaning that nothing in Kerr spacetime changes over time. In effect, time stands still. A black hole in such a state is essentially stationary...

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; blackhole; science; stringtheory; time
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To: Bullish

Cheney ....... Dick Cheney


41 posted on 01/28/2011 8:41:06 PM PST by corkoman
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To: Jack Hydrazine

What a trip! Thanks for the link.


42 posted on 01/28/2011 9:04:12 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: KoRn; The Comedian; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; ...

Thanks KoRn and The Comedian for the pings!


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43 posted on 01/28/2011 10:13:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: TheOldLady
I thought that time past a black hole’s event horizon only appears to an outside observer to stand still.

Actually, anything past the event horizon is unobservable, so it is pure conjecture. That's what a singularity is. It's a prediction boundary that can't be breached using existing models.


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

44 posted on 01/29/2011 4:45:57 AM PST by The Comedian (It's 3am all over the planet.)
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To: shibumi
Can you believe it's Saturday morning and the pic is still here?


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

45 posted on 01/29/2011 4:51:53 AM PST by The Comedian (It's 3am all over the planet.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Clara Moskowitz
Black holes are some of the weirdest things in the universe. They occur when mass is packed into a tiny volume, squished to its ultimate density.

I luv it when ditiz female reporterettes write about something they are completely ignorant of. First it was Firearms, now it's Physics. I swear, it's gotta be a Union Rule.

And what male bastion is next for them?
The benefit of being able to pee while standing up?
...............

46 posted on 01/29/2011 4:52:20 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: Bullish
naughty, naughty.

[the mods must be sleeping or have the weekend off ;-)]

47 posted on 01/29/2011 4:54:49 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

48 posted on 01/29/2011 4:56:44 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Soliton
Courtesy *PING* to post #48 this thread.

Cheers!

49 posted on 01/29/2011 5:17:16 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: The Comedian
I just noticed you changed the quote under your picture.

Quite funny!

50 posted on 01/29/2011 5:18:09 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Kerr spacetime is time-independent, meaning that nothing in Kerr spacetime changes over time. In effect, time stands still.

Yep, time certainly stands still with Kerr spacetime for me!


51 posted on 01/29/2011 5:24:29 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Yeah, one of my New Year's resolutions was to offend and frighten people in new and different ways, so I'm Hoping to make some Changes.


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

52 posted on 01/29/2011 5:32:05 AM PST by The Comedian (It's 3am all over the planet.)
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To: shibumi

Argh! It’s the cursed black spot, matey!


53 posted on 01/29/2011 5:59:04 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: The Comedian

You’re right. Light’s not escaping either. At least I’m only as ignorant as everybody else about what can be “seen,” LOL! This is one of the many questions I’m going to ask God when (if) I get to Him.


54 posted on 01/29/2011 6:25:58 AM PST by TheOldLady ("...Communists in Congress, and Islamics everywhere, are showing who they truly are." - Lazamataz)
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To: The Comedian

What’s wrong with a picture of a democrat Dick Gephardt supporter?


55 posted on 01/29/2011 6:29:03 AM PST by TheOldLady ("...Communists in Congress, and Islamics everywhere, are showing who they truly are." - Lazamataz)
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To: TheOldLady
What’s wrong with a picture of a democrat Dick Gephardt supporter?

That was *way* too clever.

Maybe she's a Cheney fan?


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

56 posted on 01/29/2011 6:45:35 AM PST by The Comedian (It's 3am all over the planet.)
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To: The Comedian

Cheney fan? Not as likely, but of course I’m not about to start an argument with you, tough-and-brilliant guy. ;-p


57 posted on 01/29/2011 10:22:05 AM PST by TheOldLady ("...Communists in Congress, and Islamics everywhere, are showing who they truly are." - Lazamataz)
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To: TheOldLady
...I’m not about to start an argument with you, tough-and-brilliant guy. ;-p

I sure am glad you have be confused with someone else, and there is no way I'm going to correct you :-)


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

58 posted on 01/29/2011 11:35:56 AM PST by The Comedian (It's 3am all over the planet.)
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To: The Comedian

I’m an old woman. I get confused about things, but I got your number.


59 posted on 01/29/2011 11:44:08 AM PST by TheOldLady ("...Communists in Congress, and Islamics everywhere, are showing who they truly are." - Lazamataz)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Kerr spacetime is time-independent, meaning that nothing in Kerr spacetime changes over time. In effect, time stands still. A black hole in such a state is essentially stationary....

Astronomers think most galaxies, including our own Milky Way, host supermassive black holes in their centers. Some researchers suspect that these are actually Kerr black holes.

So all these black holes are "stationary" and they're all at the center of galaxies that are expanding out away from each other.

Which means that astronomers, like "climate scientists", are capable of AliceInWonderland logic.

60 posted on 01/30/2011 7:48:00 PM PST by samtheman
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