Posted on 11/10/2010 12:45:55 PM PST by Gargantua
Exploding the “That Wasn’t A Missile” Myth
By Gargantua
What appeared to be a missile rose from below the horizon, streaking into the sky off of California leaving a condensation trail identical to the kind that have been filmed being left by a ground-or-sea-to-air launch of a Minuteman missile or ICBM.
First, the Government was inexplicably mum on the topic. Next came a series of sometimes contradictory explanations. Now, days after the event, the finally agreed-upon explanation hits every news station all at once. “It’s the con-trail of a jet returning from across the Pacific.”
There are two glaring problems with this obviously false “explanation.”
First, the shape and density of the con-trail.
A missile launch would be more dense and wide at its base, just as we see in the images we’ve been shown. A jet’s con-trail would be thinner and smaller the further away as it trailed off toward the horizon. We see the opposite in the availale video footage.
Second, the lighting.
In the video footage, we see stratus clouds out over the ocean behind the rising missile. The setting sun is shining on, and illuminating, the bottom of those clouds. On the con-trail, however, the illumination from the sun appears on the right-hand-edge; just as it would if this were a launching missile’s vertically rising con-trail. There is no illumination of the underside of the “jet’s horizontally oriented con-trail” because it is not a jet’s con-trail, it is a vertically-oriented missile’s launch contrail with the sun lighting up the side away from us. Very obviously so.
The Government must think we are at least as stupid as they are if they think this lame explanation is going to “fly.”
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Oh no. He almost figured us all out again. Actually dude, we think you are all members of a secret society. We even discovered your secret societies theme song. Here it is. A true song link.
Ghost Riders in the Sky - The outlaws
Seriously. Focus on the "slowest missile ever"
In the future you might actually try spending some time reading the threads you are spamming. Gil said he only filmed the missile for 2-3 minutes of powered flight. The slowest missile ever canard is now about as valid as every one of your other points.
Maybe Ape's "lighting expert" is not who he claims to be! He is a disinformationalist out to make you all look crazy! Its a conspiracy!!!!!
What ? I never claimed to have a lighting expert. Someone else claimed to have discussed this missile incident with a lighting expert. That expert came to the same conclusion that I independently had determined and had just postulated about here in a Freepers thread. Which is why apparently both me and the lighting expert knew the debate was over weeks ago. Getting the US government to admit it lied however, will be an impossible task. But it would also be the first step to its recovery.
We have enough data to conclude 100 % missile and probable sub launch to boot. Been posted numerous times, but you continue to ignore. Explain the lighting physics problem genius.
You have no data, who launched it? Why? Why no response? How come its the slowest missile in the world?
Etc...
You raise kook-dom with each post.
No doubt the producers would hype this event. They did however get expert testimony that the object was probably a missile. That testimony was included with the airing where they initially stated it was probably a missile. One of their experts claimed it was possibly the US test firing some type of missile from a submarine as a demonstration to China. They showed the expert viewing their video on a laptop, if memory serves me right. So hyped, but not over hyped.
You now know that is a lie. He filmed it under powered flight for 2-3 minutes. Not 10 minutes. It was launched from under the ocean. Surrounded by steam. You know slowest missile is now a false statement. Yet you continue to type it. How is that helping your case ? You are acting like an auto bot posting program. Kinda slow at assimilating new data ?
More “Mystery Missiles” (aka contrails) over Georgia on Nov. 28th...video at link (after 13 sec. commercial):
http://www.ajc.com/video?bcpid=97471435001&bclid=1717763711&bctid=700744798001
Why isn’t the media reporting it being a missile? Did “They” get to the media too?
LOL
Still no data from the missile crowd, other than “gee, that kinda looks like a missile”. Tons of boats out there that day, why no reports or video?
Your cognitive dissonance is remarkable. And you are so predictable with attacks not relating to the conspiracy.
Fertheluvva... at the expense of rational thought:
Explain the lighting physics problem genius.
Easy. It's freakin' sunset, and the light is coming up under the contrail of a jet as it transits west. Duh.
I saw the video. That’s what convinced me that it was just an airplane. The object on video was travelling way too slow to be a missile. An airliner travels at maybe .7 or .8 Mach on a good day, downhill with a tailwind... a ballistic missile moves at Mach 5... 6... 8... 12... and far better than that. An ICBM only barely misses escape velocity at about Mach 17 to return to earth on a ballistic path....
The airplane in the video was sub-mach. No doubt.
Your posts indicate a very creative imagination.
J Ape: You are now citing a weather satellite image produced by a NASA scientist who claimed it was the contrail for the AWE808 flight. Not the UPS902 flight. And sat images of contrails will always show the top of the contrail. The satellite is much higher then the contrail.
Thanks, Justa! [^)
As per another of your posts on the news director's next-day take changing it from a missile to an airliner -- how ironic that the "simpler to explain" airplane contrail conclusion requires an explanation infinitely complicated and convoluted, needing all kinds of supporting "evidence" drawn from everywhere but Aunt Gertrude's garden shed. But that's only to be expected for an effort to persuade folks that video taken at sunset of a north-west arcing vertical missile launch and its plume was actually the horizontal condensation trail of an eastbound UPS plane!
Dude, who lives in Arizona, thinks you and I, who live in So Cal (if I remember correctly you're down here somewhere) want to believe it's a missile.
I'll give him this much: I sure as hell want to believe it was one of ours.
Er ... that would be me. And the expert's area of specialty is perspective and lighting in aviation, which necessarily takes into account the curvature of the earth.
That expert came to the same conclusion that I independently had determined and had just postulated about here in a Freepers thread. Which is why apparently both me and the lighting expert knew the debate was over weeks ago.
You got that right! [^)) The last I mentioned it to him was a few days ago, when I got him to look over a painstaking calculated mathematical "proof" FReepmailed to me by an armchair theorist (who, incidentally, has never seen a live missile launch but has seen a LOT of contrails that look "just like" what he has never seen) who kindly requested that my expert look at them. The expert was totally disgusted with me. After looking at the "proof," he went off for a bit about how the light of the setting sun illuminates things and how the base of the plume was pretty obviously NOT 300 miles away and above the sun (!!!*rolls eyes*!!!!), and concluded with the words, "This guy's got too much time on his hands."
The debate is "over" in part because there never was one -- the sun settled it the minute the film was shot. To me, it's now a matter of giving lurkers something else to chew on than the spam being spun by the contrail delusionists, and also a matter of observing what looks very much to me like a concerted, sophisticated, organized effort at disinformation for political purposes ON A MOST DANGEROUS TOPIC.
If a boomer had launched a missile from that point, there would have been a massive ASW effort launched to find the offender. If you can show me that occurred, I will believe it was a SLBM. Until then, this Arizonan bids you adieu.
Have your lighting expert post here. We have to take your word that you have some expert who knows all and sees all. Not a good persuasion tactic.
No one has answered any question about the complete lack of response by armed forces, or about the lack of witnesses on boats, on Catalina, or anywhere else in a mega metropolis like LA. No ionized plume, etc.
Simply put, the pro missile crowd, after 5 weeks has not produced one shred of tangible data, nothing. Just “look at that video!”. The conspiracy theorist is lazy, they ask others to disprove their theory, rather than prove theirs. And when they are disproved, they result to questioning the motives of those who disproved them (what is their agenda? who do THEY work for?). Also, the insults, etc. Its standard game for the CT.
Your lighting expert wasn’t there, millions of Los Angelinos were there and didn’t see anything. Its fascinating to watch you guys dig in and defend the indefensible, especially when you have offered no data to prove your point.
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