Posted on 08/27/2010 8:00:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
"The sea, which had been beating against the shores, suddenly broke the boundary that was imposed on it by nature. The sea rushed into the city. It coursed through the streets of the beautiful city. The sea covered up everything in the city. Arjuna saw the beautiful buildings becoming submerged one by one. He took a last look at the mansion of Krishna. In a matter of a few moments it was all over. The sea had now become as placid as a lake. There was no trace of the beautiful city, which had been the favourite haunt of all the Pandavas. Dwarka was just a name; just a memory." -- Mausala Parva, Mahabharata.
Does this account from the ancient Indian epic have a true historical core? Did Lord Krishna, indeed the favourite Indian deity, walk the streets of ancient Dwarka? Did Krishna, considered the Lord of the universe by a billion Hindus, rule the Yaduvanshi clan thousands of years ago?
Using archaeological, scriptural, literary and astronomical data, scholars and scientists are coming round to the view that Krishna was definitely a historical character.
The Rosetta stone, or the key, to the Krishna story is Dwarka. The strongest archaeological support comes from the structures discovered in the late 1980s under the seabed off the coast of modern Dwarka in Gujarat by a team of archaeologists and divers led by Dr S.R. Rao, one of India's most respected archaeologists. An emeritus scientist at the marine archaeology unit of the National Institute of Oceanography, Goa, Rao has excavated a large number of Harappan sites, including the port city of Lothal in Gujarat.
(Excerpt) Read more at indianweekender.co.nz ...
"The sea, which had been beating against the shores, suddenly broke the boundary that was imposed on it by nature. The sea rushed into the city. It coursed through the streets of the beautiful city. The sea covered up everything in the city. Arjuna saw the beautiful buildings becoming submerged one by one. He took a last look at the mansion of Krishna. In a matter of a few moments it was all over. The sea had now become as placid as a lake. There was no trace of the beautiful city, which had been the favourite haunt of all the Pandavas. Dwarka was just a name; just a memory." -- Mausala Parva, Mahabharata.There were FR topics about this kind of thing in India after the big Indonesia tsunami.
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I don't think you can come away from dealing with this piece of Indian literature without thinking that Krishna, etc., were ALL historic figures.
They are too human, too detailed, too well described ~ and too much of the story line fits together too well, for them to have not been real people.
It's not like Gone with the Wind ~ but it was serialized in about the First or Second Century AD by Indian scribes.
The other epic novel is called the Ramayana. It has the same characters, the same settings, but is told from an entirely different perspective.
""Fast Times AT Dwarkha Hi" would be an acceptable title for the main story line ~ with more than one appearance by character played by Sean Penn!
Even thousands of years ago "They Knew" about these people.
I don't think you can come away from dealing with this piece of Indian literature without thinking that Krishna, etc., were ALL historic figures.
They are too human, too detailed, too well described ~ and too much of the story line fits together too well, for them to have not been real people.
It's not like Gone with the Wind ~ but it was serialized in about the First or Second Century AD by Indian scribes.
The other epic novel is called the Ramayana. It has the same characters, the same settings, but is told from an entirely different perspective.
""Fast Times AT Dwarkha Hi" would be an acceptable title for the main story line ~ with more than one appearance by character played by Sean Penn!
Even thousands of years ago "They Knew" about these people.
bfltr
Thanks muawiyah.
Rare inscription of Vijayanarar discoveredUDUPI: Yet another inscription belonging to the Vijayanagar kingdom was discovered recently at Kanchinadka near Padubidri in Udupi district.
by K Mohanachandran Nambiar
TNN
Friday, August 27, 2010
Prof T Murugeshi, professor of archaeology, MSRS College, Shirva and noted epigraphist say these inscriptions belong to the Sangama dynasty. The name of Bukka I, one of the founders and successors of Harihar I, is referred in the inscription as Vira Bukkanoderu. When Bukka was ruling the Vijayanagar kingdom, Goparasa was ruling Barakuru rajya (Barkur) as its governor.
Murugeshi added that the inscription dated in Saka year 1293, corresponded to 1371 AD. The Vijayanagar empire was an empire to reckon with and historically known for the upliftment of Hindu religion and culture. During the tenure of Bukka lavish grants were given to Hindu mutts and temples. Murugeshi states that the inscription found in Padubidri is a record and testimony of such donations. It records the donation given to the god of Bidire, which is the present Mahalingeshwara of Padubidri temple. The inscription also mentions grants given to the Chitravade, which would be the present day Chitrapadi near Saligrama. The epigraph has references to Keramba and Kelaya. Murugeshi said they may be present Keramaa and Kalaayi Guttu. However, there is no mention of the local chieftains of Padubidri which is also significant, from the historical point of view of the time factor. The inscription found in Padubidiri also mentions an invocation to Lord Shiva, of which 14 lines are in Kannada.
Dr Y N Shetty, medical superintendent of SDM Ayurveda College, Udupi and renowned epigraphist Dr B.Rajashekharappa are credited with discovering the tablet.
I have the Mahabharat in English, the only complete translated without abridgement; from the 1880s by one Kishor Mohan Ganguli. I’ve read two or three other translations but they are all abridged. This one is vast. Much of the material is covered in various Puranas as well. I agree with this description of Vedic shastra - there is no other body of scripture in the world that is as vast, consistent and exacting.
The blue is described like the dark bluish color of rain-laden monsoon clouds.
Brahma Samhita 5.30
I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock’s feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.
And for good measure:
5.32
I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose transcendental form is full of bliss, truth, substantiality and is thus full of the most dazzling splendor. Each of the limbs of that transcendental figure possesses in Himself, the full-fledged functions of all the organs, and eternally sees, maintains and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane.
Holding his breathe underwater too longer, perhaps?
That opening sounds like a perfect description of a tsunami. It could have been a contemporary account of the recent tsunami in SE Asia.
Historical Krishna ping.
I have not read that version, but have long loved, and many times re-read Kamala Subramaniam’s rendition (as well as her Ramayana and Shrimad Bhagavatam).
Personally, I generally love history, but I couldn’t care less whether this most holy of books and most sweeping of epics is rooted in history or not. Nothing could matter less. If the Mahabharata does not move someone in its own right, they are not really alive.
Where did you acquire this video set may I ask?
Either that, or the song he's playing on his flute is Oh, Woad Is Me
6000 - (3112 + 2010) = 878
Wow that place is really old. It grew to a civilized city in only 878 years after the earth was formed.
I guess that the version http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158417/ is better. Still, it must be a rainy day for watching it 45 min x94 episodes = 70.5 hours !
Here is a comment on this video:
This is amazing..., 7 July 2005
Author: Voivod-2 from Berkeley, CA
...if you have the time to watch it consistently, and give it your attention. This is a very demanding piece of work— there are many characters, and many plots going on simultaneously. Stop watching for a few days and you might just forget what was going on. Nevertheless, this is an amazing piece of work, incredibly moving, and affecting like very few works before it. I can't overstate how incredibly emotional the experience of watching it from beginning to end was; the ending, in particular, is a extremely powerful.
True, the scenes are a bit drawn out at times; personally, as director, I would have shaved off about 10-15 minutes from each episode. Obviously, the special effects are outdated as well, but they are sufficient to get the point across, which is the most important thing.
Ideally, this series should be watched when you have 4-5 days dedicated to just watching it from beginning to end. Yeah, that's a big dedication, but it is also an incredibly rewarding experience.
If 70 hours is a long time consider this:
Between 1919 and 1966, scholars at the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune, compared the various manuscripts of the epic from India and abroad and produced the Critical Edition of the Mahabharata, on 13,000 pages in 19 volumes, followed by the Harivamsha in another two volumes and six index volumes. This is the text that is usually used in current Mahabharata studies for reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata
13 000 x 1 - 3 minutes/page = 217 - 650 hours!
Thanks. I suspect there are many similar sites that were inundated at the end of the last Ice Age.
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