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55% Of Americans Say 'Revolution' If Obama Somehow Gets New UN Gun Ban Treaty Ratified In the U.S.
U.S.E. News ^ | June 12th | U.S. of Earth

Posted on 06/15/2010 1:43:54 PM PDT by DebraAI

The new United Nations Treaty is being designed to disarm all citizens of every nation on Earth. The treaty will give all governments a free hand to do as they please. It is making headway in Washington D.C. and it is feared that President Obama may very well try to use the treaty to consolidate his power in America. The treaty specifics are now being negotiated and Obama has given the OK For the U.S. to be a part of the negotiations.

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To: DebraAI
Whatever authority Congress has, it has by virtue of being granted that authority by the States, via the US Constitution. No foreign power or entity can grant authority to the federal government.

This won't be a war between the States, this will be a war against a foreign invader that's using or own federal government as a proxy.

41 posted on 06/15/2010 2:03:10 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dayman
Revolution requires offensive strikes, not just hiding a gun in your attic insulation ...


I'm your huckleberry.

42 posted on 06/15/2010 2:03:18 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: OldDeckHand

Wikipedia: “The Senate also has a role in the process of ratifying treaties. The Constitution provides that the President may only ratify a treaty if two-thirds of the senators vote to grant advice and consent. However, not all international agreements are considered treaties, and therefore do not require the Senate’s approval. Congress has passed laws authorizing the President to conclude executive agreements without action by the Senate. Similarly, the President may make congressional-executive agreements with the approval of a simple majority in each House of Congress, rather than a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Neither executive agreements nor congressional-executive agreements are mentioned in the Constitution, leading some to suggest that they unconstitutionally circumvent the treaty-ratification process. However, the validity of such agreements has been upheld by courts.”


43 posted on 06/15/2010 2:04:11 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: OldDeckHand

“Treaties cannot violate the Constitution, even if ratified by whatever means. So long as we have the 5 justices that held for Heller, this is non-sense.”

FYI: Back-up for your statement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Covert


44 posted on 06/15/2010 2:04:29 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: muddler

“That is complete and utter nonsense,this isn’t the UK”

Successfully stopping the removal of any rights requires organization. Once someone tries to organize the resistance, there will be a Benedict Arnold that will tell the Feds. Next up, comes a Ruby Ridge, Waco, Ft. Davis, or Michigan militia episode. Never underestimate the power and tyranny of government to quash you and make you out as a seditionist with the complict State run media.

All that being said, the UN bull$h!t is going nowhere.


45 posted on 06/15/2010 2:04:35 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Great movie.


46 posted on 06/15/2010 2:04:45 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: Dayman

BULL SHIT!

Get with some like minded people who are more worried about losing their freedoms and saving this country than about being politically correct.

THEY WILL HAVE TO KILL ME.


47 posted on 06/15/2010 2:06:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: DebraAI

Revolution?? WWIII and a good housecleaning is long overdue.


48 posted on 06/15/2010 2:07:03 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: secondamendmentkid

Buckeye by birth; Texan by choice. Moved to Texas when I turned 18 and never looked back.


49 posted on 06/15/2010 2:07:16 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: muddler
That is complete and utter nonsense, this isn't the UK.

Isn't it? In 2008 65 million people voted to commit national suicide. We shall see.

50 posted on 06/15/2010 2:07:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dayman
If gun confiscation occurs then 95% of gun owners will willingly turn over their guns for “compensation,” even if that's just an agreement to not be prosecuted and spending years in prison.

A significant percentage would turn over their guns, but nowhere near 95% IMHO.

MM (in TX)

51 posted on 06/15/2010 2:07:49 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: wolfcreek

That’s the fire that’s needed. Sadly, they will try to kill you and many gun owners will cheer. Some out of self loathing for having turned in their guns, and some because they never understood freedom in the first place.


52 posted on 06/15/2010 2:08:30 PM PDT by Dayman
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To: grobdriver

Nope, no mechanism for the president alone. That is often mistakenly said. The reality is that under “international law” all that is needed is his signature. If he signs it,, other nations consider it legal. Other nations do not consider ratification to be needed.

But that does not override the requirement that it be ratified by the senate, before it is condidered the law of the land here in the USA.


53 posted on 06/15/2010 2:08:50 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: grobdriver

The President can sign a Treaty but it has to be ratified by a 2/3 vote of the Senate to become effective and then becomes equal to highest law — not superior. Supreme Court can also rule on its application and what it takes precedent over.

Currently we are seeing administrative Executive Agreements outnumbering treaties at a pace of 20 to 1. These are less binding and can be abrogated by the next administraion.


54 posted on 06/15/2010 2:09:20 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: grobdriver
Right, the Court has held (wrongly in my opinion) that there may be some extra-constitutional ways in which treaties may be ratified. But, that speaks to process, not substance.

As I said, irrespective of how a treaty is ratification, its ratification does not allow it to supersede the Constitution. The Court still enjoys and occasionally exercise judicial review over treaties, and would be willing to strike any treaty if it found a constitutional infirmity in the agreement.

55 posted on 06/15/2010 2:10:09 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: balls
It’s quite evident that 0 can do whatever he pleases, despite all the Texas-style tough talk from opponents.

Um....

he can try.

56 posted on 06/15/2010 2:10:09 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: twhitak; marron
You both need to get a weapon for personal protection if nothing else.

If the SHTF (economic collapse, higher unemployment, etc) there will people people who will wish you and your family harm.

Please prepare yourselves.

Read up on the economic collapse in Argentina.

57 posted on 06/15/2010 2:11:50 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: OldDeckHand
Remember, it’s two thirds necessary for ratification, not the 60 they used for Obamacare. Unless something untoward happens to the entire Republican delegation, this will NEVER be ratified.

Yes, but there is a difference. To end a filibuster, you need 3/5ths of all senators holding office at that time, whether or not they are all present at the time of the vote. So even if only 75 senators were there for the vote, they would still need 60 votes to end the filibuster.

On the other hand, the 2/3rds vote needed to override a veto or approve a treaty is based on the number of senators present and voting. So if only 75 senators were present, 50 votes would be enough to ratify it.

So the question becomes, could the Dems arrange a vote in such a way as to be assured that enough Repubs would be out of town to allow them to ratify it with the votes they have available?

58 posted on 06/15/2010 2:12:59 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: grobdriver

"I'm your Huckleberry."
59 posted on 06/15/2010 2:13:09 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: DebraAI

Dont need no stinking revolution....51% is a majority, just kick the SOB out!


60 posted on 06/15/2010 2:14:28 PM PDT by himno hero
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