Posted on 01/13/2010 1:08:11 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Today I was in federal court for several hours. Rivernider vs US Bank. I testified against Orly Taitz. Orly Taitz was present as well and also testified.
In court today I watched as Orly Taitz told lie after lie while under oath on the witness stand. She claimed that she has never in her life given anyone permission to sign her signature. (This hearing today was about Orly's claim that Charles Edward Lincoln III forged her signature on a filing in Rivernider vs US Bank). Attorney Phil Berg was present as counsel to Charles Lincoln.
Phil Berg went on to question Orly Taitz as to why then, if she had never given anyone permission to sign her signature, why then had she while in Israel contacted Charles Lincoln and told him to advise one of her dental staff in California to sign her (Orly's) name to payrol checks for the employees. Orly Taitz started to reply with one story that her signature is not used on payrol checks but then Phil Berg asked her who then is it that signs off on employee hours to verify them for the payrol. At this time Orly then started in with a new story that she took payroll checks with her to Isael and signed the payrol checks there in Israel and mailed them to her dental employees from back in the USA. ???????????????? I don't think anyone bought that story.
At this time Orly started complaining that she was being badgered and that she objects and a string of other legal terms that, depending on what she said, was either the role of witness, attorney and even the role of judge.
Two members of the website, Politijab.com, were present.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
The MSM is still protecting Obama regarding his direct contribution to the election fiasco in Kenya in 2006 that resulted in a massacre and a dysfunctional government, as well as Obama's possible violation of federal law by interfering in foreign affairs as a private citizen under the Logan Act, not that anyone has been prosecuted for 200 years under the act...
“This is not a personal vendetta. I have nothing personal against Lucas. But quite frankly I am sick and tired of people who make absurd false claims on the net and go unchallenged.”
On this very thread you have admitted to making false claims about Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC that you were forced to retract by Smith. Yet you persist...
I have a neurological disability that forces me off-line for hours at a time throughout the day. In your introductory comment #63 you admit to following Mik Taerg’s inconclusive accusations against Smith on Smith's Youtube site and them you come to FR to pile on in support of Mik Taerg’s speculations after Smith banned Mik Taerg.
Did I get that right? And this is not in furtherance of the same vendetta as pursued by Mik Taerg, i.e. declaring your speculations about Smith to be fact and then making accusations against Smith? You were not even aware of Obama's intensive involvement in the campaign of his fellow Luo tribesman Odinga in 2006 and the disaster that resulted, so your research into the affairs of Kenya and Obama is at a very early stage, too early to suggest that Lucas Smith should be doubted because he won't disclose how he obtained the BC or to suggest that any statement by Kenyan authorities could be believed. I have suggested that when the MSM and big money Democrat protection of Obama comes down in the US and in Kenya, it might be possible for investigative journalists and forensic scientists to do the vetting job that should have been done before the 2008 election. The fact that that vetting didn't occur is not the fault of Lucas Smith.
So you want a statement from a person during that that time?....here’s one from the Post and Email…. “ Due to the controversial nature of this news, and on account of having corresponded with Mr. Leo Odera Omolo, previously, who claims to be a life long friend of the late father of the U.S. President, I asked Mr. Omolo for his reaction to the Lucas Document. “The birth certificate is a master forgery-work,” says Omolo; it “does not reflect what kind of hospital birth certificates, bearing the British coat of arms, that we have in 1961. Mark you: Kenya was at the time still a British colony, and all the important documents, like a birth certificate, used to bear the coat of arms entitled “Colony and Protectorate of Kenya.”
To Sectumsepra:
Omolo is obviously a crafty old Kenyan who is giving a clear appearance of protecting Obama.
How do I conclude this?
Omolo knows fully well that Mombasa was not part of Kenya colony where Obama's family comes from and where the BC's of his children were issued and that he tries to point to to refute the Smith CPGH BC. Omolo is lying or demented. Mombasa was part of the separate colony, the Coast Province, which was leased from Zanzibar, and that is what has been demonstrated to be correctly shown on Smith's CPGH BC. Omolo know that Coast Province did not merge with the former Kenya Colony to form modern Kenya until independence in 1964.
Omolo is old enough to know this, but he appears to be counting on being able to fool gullible foreigners with this false account, obviously in what clearly appears to be an effort to hide the truth. By telling blatant lies about Smith's BC and claiming that the lie proves that Smith's BC couldn't be the BC of Obama II, Omolo only reinforces the appearance of a widespread conspiracy by Obama's relatives to hide his true birth location.
Omolo claims the BHO Sr never returned to Kenya until after independence, yet it is Stanley Ann that we are concerned about. With Stanley Ann we have an extremely romantic young woman besotted with foreign people and foreign living for her entire life (having children with two husbands of color and living in the US for as little as possible) who has been proved to have crossed an ocean within weeks of giving birth to BHO II (traveling before or after the birth) and landing in Seattle totally separated from BHO Sr, whom she does not appear to have seen again for ten years! So that report by Omolo that BHO Sr. is not conclusive even if true. Omolo's seemingly intentionally false comment about the Kenya Colony and Mombasa calls into question any of his story.
Where was Stanley Ann when she gave birth? What does Obama's unamended HI long form BC say and who filed it? These are the questions that need to be answered, not by what method did Lucas Smith obtain his CPGH BC.
Unfortunately, I wouldn’t bank on Leo the Liar either.
*sigh*
I seem to remember from Leo Donofrio’s blog that the two of you had a falling out over how to interpret the terse utterances and denial or lack thereof from Fukino and Obuko using Boolean logic.
Why are you calling Donofrio a “liar”?
If it is only because he has not yet filed QW in the time-frame that he said he expected to file it, there are many reasons for a possible delay besides an intentional “lie” by Donofrio.
Those reasons begin with the interests of his client, which may require a delay or for QW never to be filed for this client in the event of a settlement.
So ?
I was not forced I retracted before I even got in touch with Lucas. I thought the CPGH email adress on his document was false becuse, very stupidly, I did not find a CPGH web site. On the same forum I retracted this once it was pointed out to me that the e-mail address was true. I have absolutely no problem at admitting an error. I am still waiting from Lucas to hear his explanations about:
Wrong spelling of the stamped and undersigned name
Wrong Chief administrator.
I understand your picking at straws in order to define me as a lying, angry fraudster. Politely I believe you should advise Lucas to give some explanations.
Another error I made was my previous post about Lucas having auctioned the document in Aug. It was June not August. Why this is interesting I will explain later.
“you admit to following Mik Taerg’s inconclusive accusations against Smith”
could you please explain what is so inconclusive about my accusations ?
Othigo as Chief Administrator of CPGH
here are the references to Jennifer Othigo as CA of CPGH before Feb 19th 2009, the date stamped above Maganga’s signature obove Lucas’ document.
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/499590/-/tm7r8p/-/index.html
http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=227214&page=3
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/36898.html
http://www.eastandard.net/news/InsidePage.php?id=1144003096&cid=159&;;
here are the references that Othigo was still CA until April 13th 2009
Feb 24th http://www.vvog.be/docs/2009/02/24094002.doc
Mar 26th http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144009846&cid=159&;;
Feb 27th http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=247437&p=Nyeri+Town&page=2
Apr 13th http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html
here are the first refernces to Maganga as CA of CPGH
Jun 17th http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=58041
Jun 2009 (Kenya TV video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vL2ErPz7Qk
Heltan or Helton ?
All articles in The Nation, a Nairobi paper, call him Heltan. Heltan is also what you can read in the subtitles of the previous video.
Only The Standard has spelled him Helton and once even Heltun. Most recent Standard articles refer to Heltan.
There are also two medical directories that spell Heltan Mnjama Maganga
http://sskenya.org/?page_id=254 (found by Lucysmom)
http://www.healthoutsource.co.ke/directory/healthdirectory.php?id=1199
There is also an adress provided by ICHR as to where to send donations
http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/2009/10/07/a-doctors-blog-from-kenya/
Sinclair's affidavit of September 15, 2009 says no such thing. Sinclair made no statement whatsoever as to Taitz' opinion of the authenticity of Lucas Smith's CPGH BC.
See Exibhit A at the end of this link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22039643/LIBERI-et-al-v-TAITZ-et-al-ECF-FILER-Request-for-Judicial-Notice-of-Larry-Sinclair-s-Affidavit-and-Exhibit-A-to-Larry-Sinclair-s-Affidavit-Tran
Lucas Smith's affidavit regarding Taitz' request that he perjure himself affirms Sinclair's similar accusation against Taitz, and Smith's affidavit against Taitz was found sufficiently credible by Judge Carter for Carter to admonish Taitz. Judge Carter's harsh dress-down of Taitz, clearly in part based on Smith's affidavit, was made by Carter with Carter knowing fully well that Smith had also presented an affidavit to his court with the CPGH BC.
In this highly visible case Judge Carter, who must have known Lucas Smith's very public history, refused to let Smith's past "impeach" his testimony in his affidavit and Carter relied on Smith's representations to admonish Taitz.
In the Rivernider case that is the subject of this thread, Lucas Smith has once again made himself available to cross-examination by Taitz, and exposed himself to a full-on effort by Taitz to impeach him under penalty of perjury.
It is not at all typical of fraudsters to deliberately go out of their way to testify under oath, in fact the opposite is true!
We shall see, with the ruling, who prevails and who is found to be credible in yet another federal court. I'm betting that Lincoln will prevail with the testimony of Smith backing him up!
“INTERNAL MEMO
FROM: SHAKEEL SHABBIR (CAMPAIGN RESOURCES ACCOUNTING SECTION)”
“Obama ... gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga.”
Chain e-mail on Friday, April 18th, 2008 in
‘Not a cent’ from unrelated Obama
A chain e-mail that originates with a letter from American missionaries working in Kenya warns about Sen. Barack Obama’s ties to Kenya and its opposition party, encouraging readers “not to be taken in by those that are promoting him.”
Among the many allegations is one about Obama’s ties to Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga: “Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany.”
The e-mail reads like a bad game of “telephone,” its claims drawn from assorted people and sources that have been stitched together. And yet, because it is signed by real people, who have a life in Africa, it somehow carries more credence than your average blog posting — and it’s spreading rapidly. But even with the credibility of a real author, the claims in this e-mail are as baseless as anything you’ve read from an anonymous blogger.
Celeste Davis wrote the letter. Her husband, Loren Davis, spoke to PolitiFact at length about its many allegations.
He says they’ve lived and worked in Kenya for the past 12 years and this was a personal letter “never intended to be forwarded or sent out to the Web.”
“It’s totally caught us by surprise,” Loren Davis said. He went on to back up the claims and provide some evidence.
Let’s examine this one in two parts:
• “Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the (Kenya) opposition campaign.”
Loren Davis provided PolitiFact with a document that he says shows Obama gave $1-million to the Kenyan opposition campaign led by Odinga. A header at the top of the page says it’s a “consolidated statement of campaign financial activities.” Under the header is a list of “incoming resources” with entries listed in columns of “from” and “amount.”
Handwritten notes amplify the point being made. A name on the list is underlined and the words “Barak Obama” are written in the margin, suggesting that donation is from the Illinois senator, even though his name is misspelled. The amount across from this name also is underlined and next to it someone has written “$1 million,” implying Obama contributed $1-million.
The Obama campaign strongly disputes this allegation and three Kenya experts who reviewed the document at our request called it fraudulent. The Obama campaign sent PolitiFact the same document and one other purporting to show Obama’s campaign contributions to Kenya. The first they heard of it was when these documents arrived by fax.
See the documents here and here.
On the legible version, you can see the underlined entry says, “Friends of Senator BO,” presumably Barack Obama. Only, there is no political action committee named Friends of Senator BO or Friends of Barack Obama. So says Obama’s campaign. And a search of the Federal Election Commission Web site and Opensecrets.org, the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics, pulls up neither. In fact, there’s no PAC name even close.
Not to mention, the Obama campaign says the senator never gave money to Kenyan Prime Minister Odinga. And Salim Lone, spokesman for Odinga whom we spoke with in Kenya, confirms that.
“That is absolutely ridiculous,” Lone said in an interview with PolitiFact. “Mr. Obama did not donate a single cent to Mr. Odinga’s campaign.”
Just to be certain, we did an analysis of Federal Election Commission reports of disbursements from Obama’s principal presidential campaign committee, Obama for America, during the 2008 election cycle. We searched for “Kenya,” “Odinga” and “ODM,” (the Orange Democratic Movement) the latter being Odinga’s political party, and came up with no matches.
( UPDATE: In June 2008, a reader correctly pointed out that there was a “Friends of Barack Obama” PAC on the Illinois state level from 1995-2005. We analyzed reports of disbursements from this PAC, searching for “Kenya,” “Odinga” and “ODM.” We came up with no matches.)
And what about the second part of the quote?
• “Who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany.”
This part of the claim stems from an interview Odinga did with BBC News in January 2008. ( Listen to it here. ) In a discussion about the political situation in Kenya amid fallout from a disputed election — where Odinga’s party rejected official results and vowed to install Odinga as the “people’s president” — the following exchange occurs:
Odinga: “Barack Obama’s father is my maternal uncle.”
BBC: “You’re related to him?”
Odinga: “Yes, I am.”
No, you’re not, says the Obama campaign.
We spoke to three Kenya experts who dismiss this part of the claim as well, suggesting Odinga made the connection to give himself more legitimacy during the political crisis.
“It’s stretched to the point of ridiculousness,” said Joel D. Barkan, political science professor emeritus at the University of Iowa and senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C. “To my knowledge, they are not first cousins in the normal sense. To my knowledge, there’s absolutely no relationship at all.”
Alex Awiti, a Kenyan postdoctoral fellow at Columbia University, says you have to consider the context of when Odinga was speaking, that being in the middle of a political crisis.
“Raila Odinga was groping all over the place, trying to find some political legitimacy to get on a high pedestal to claim leadership and using Obama was basically going to add some political points,” said Awiti, who lived in Kenya until three years ago. “This is very opportunistic and it should be totally disregarded.”
Lone, Odinga’s spokesman, said cousins in the African sense is very different from cousins in the American sense, so they might be distant relatives.
As far as being trained in East Germany, Odinga’s own Web site says he attended Herder Institute in Leipzig, Germany, and earned a master’s degree from the Otto von Guericke Technical Institute in Magdeburg, Germany. Both cities were part of the former East Germany.
But again, our Kenya experts say that doesn’t make him a socialist.
“It should have said he was a socialist trained in East Germany,” Barkan said. “He’s populist politics, but he’s no socialist.”
A nugget of truth in a mountain of wholesale inaccuracy does nothing to diminish our ruling on this irresponsible claim. Neither does the fact the American author says it wasn’t meant for worldwide distribution. This is Pants on Fire wrong.
http://thehill.com/component/content/article/277-lynn-sweet/5430-codel-obama
Codel Obama
By Lynn Sweet - 09/06/06 07:00 PM ET
It’s Saturday, and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is on his trip to Africa, sitting in the back seat of a UN plane flying from near the Chad-Sudan border — he visited a camp housing Sudanese refugees who fled violence in Darfur — to the airport at Abeche, Chad.
It’s Saturday, and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is on his trip to Africa, sitting in the back seat of a UN plane flying from near the Chad-Sudan border — he visited a camp housing Sudanese refugees who fled violence in Darfur — to the airport at Abeche, Chad.
There, Obama will switch to a U.S. military aircraft to return to the capital, N’Djamena, the last stop on his first solo try at diplomacy.
Codel Obama, as the trip is officially called, is a congressional delegation of one, authorized by Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Last year, freshman Obama traveled with Lugar to Russia and other former Soviet republics on his first codel and then in another trip flew to Iraq, Israel and Kuwait.
Most congressional visitors come and go with little notice. But the combination of a compelling personal and political storyline — a return to Kenya of an almost native son and the possibility that the Illinois Democrat could have a White House run in his future — attracted a traveling press corps of U.S. writers, photographers and videographers that swelled to more than 20 when Obama toured his father’s homeland in August.
Codel Obama touched down in South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. Obama met two presidents — Kenya’s Mwai Kibaki and Chad’s Idriss D
Barack Obama “openly supported (opposition leader) Raila Odinga during his visit to Africa in 2006.”
Jerome R. Corsi on Friday, August 1st, 2008 in his book “The Obama Nation”
Obama did not take sides in Kenya
A new book — The Obama Nation by Jerome R. Corsi — attacks Barack Obama as a political extremist. Taken as a whole, the book’s primary argument is that Obama is a likely communist sympathizer with ties to Islam who has skillfully hidden his true agenda as he ruthlessly pursues elected office.
We found factual problems with Corsi’s book and question its overall tone; read our extended story here.
Corsi’s description of Obama’s role in Kenyan politics is filled with errors and innuendo. Corsi focuses on a 2006 trip Obama made to Africa as a U.S. senator. The visit included stops in South Africa, Kenya and Chad.
Obama’s trip came about a year before elections were scheduled in Kenya. On one side was incumbent President Mwai Kibaki; one of his main challengers was Raila Odinga.
Corsi alleges in his book that Obama openly supported Odinga, because Obama wanted to avenge his father’s tribe, the Luo, against rival tribes. Corsi also suggests that Odinga is a socialist and was part of an alliance with Muslims to expel Christians in Kenya.
There are a number of problems here. First, we reported previously that Odinga is not a socialist . The alliance Corsi describes between Muslims and socialists seems conjecture at best. Corsi himself says his case hinges on a secret memo that he admits may or may not exist. Corsi then states that Odinga “professes to be an Anglican Christian” but adds that “concerns even today continue to circulate among Kenya’s Christian leaders ... that Odinga intends to pursue an undeclared radical Islamic political agenda.” His argument here is highly speculative.
What we can confirm is that Obama has remained neutral in Kenyan politics, and did not support Odinga during his trip. Odinga attended some of Obama’s events while Obama was in Kenya, and clearly wanted to associate himself with Obama, but there is no evidence to indicate that Obama “openly supported” Odinga. (We previously reported on a letter from missionaries that alleged Obama contributed to Odinga’s campaign; we rated it Pants on Fire! wrong.)
For this statement, we decided to scour the public record for evidence that Obama supported Odinga. We looked to contemporary accounts of the 2006 trip and found a transcript from an interview Obama gave to a Kenyan newspaper that directly contradicts Corsi’s allegation.
Question: “As you prepared to travel to Kenya you were obviously conscious of two things. One was about being drawn into local politics. The other was the high expectations of what you could do for Kenya now that you are a senator. How did you handle both?”
Obama: “One of the things we try to do is meet with all parties. I met President Kibaki, I met Uhuru Kenyatta, I was with Raila Odinga. We met the government, met the opposition and met other groups such as human rights activists. What I try to do is give a consistent message on what I think U.S.-Kenya relations should be, but not to suggest somehow that I think one party is better than the other. That’s for the Kenyan people to decide.”
Also, Obama’s gave a high-profile speech the need for the country to move beyond corruption and tribal rivalries. This undercuts Corsi’s theory that Obama was motivated by his Luo tribal heritage.
“Finally, ethnic-based tribal politics has to stop,” Obama said in his speech at the University of Nairobi on Aug. 28, 2006. “It is rooted in the bankrupt idea that the goal of politics or business is to funnel as much of the pie as possible to one’s family, tribe, or circle with little regard for the public good. It stifles innovation and fractures the fabric of the society. Instead of opening businesses and engaging in commerce, people come to rely on patronage and payback as a means of advancing. Instead of unifying the country to move forward on solving problems, it divides neighbor from neighbor.”
Corsi states that Obama “openly supported” Raila Odinga. We found public statements from Obama during the trip saying the exact opposite. We found no other evidence to support Corsi’s statement, so we rate his statement False.
"Yes, the national police chief was fired in September 8, Lucas made public his BC in August, he purportedly acquired that BC in February. The national police chief was fired due to… ”accusations that since he took charge, around the time of Kenya’s presidential election in 2007, his men had waged a campaign of illegal killings”. There is no report in the news that “CPGH records have been impounded” except from the very credible Jerome Corsi of the WND. You made it sound as if the national police chief was fired because Lucas got hold of a “top secret document” thus the CPGH records were impounded. Do you really have to put a spin on what’s in the news?"
Sectumsepra:
The Kenya press only speculates on why the Police was fired as do I.
While Lucas Smith's story is that he obtained the CPGH BC in February of 2009 and made his Youtube video public in August, I don't believe that his claim to have paid some money to a military officer to gain access to the CPGH files was made public until September 3, 2009 when Smith's affidavit was filed.
Then, only five days later on Sept 8 the Kenyan police chief is fired and his deputy is demoted for unknown reasons (but nonspecific corruption is speculated), per my link in comment #91.
I have made my own speculation that what Lucas Smith calls a "military officer" in his affidavit was most likely a Kenya police officer, given the municipal hospital setting as being civilian and not military. If the Kenyan police were under orders to prevent release of Obama's CPGH BC as a matter of national security, for instance, the ability to blackmail Obama for big bucks in exchange for keeping the BC under wraps, the firing a a police chief for failing to do his duty would be expected!
Dr. Corsi claims that he was told by Kenyan police that he could expect to be killed if he persisted with his inquiries into Obama's BC. I don't believe it is reasonable to expect Lucas Smith to ask Kenyan authorities to authenticate his BC, or for any of us to believe anything Kenyan authorities say.
Two individuals can simultaneously be "chief administrator" with one being of a department and the other of the entire hospital. They can also change roles. Othigo was on the way out in early 2009. Transitions can be messy and newspaper reporting sloppy, so public emergence of Maganga as chief of the hospital (with both phonetic spellings of his African name) could have easily been delayed by a few months.
You have reasonable suspicions about conflicting details, but you persist in falsely claiming that your personal suspicions regarding newspaper discrepancies that go both ways "prove" something. Your suspicions about mere discrepancies for which there are alternate exculpatory explanations prove nothing, in my opinion. And by your own admission in this thread you have made false claims about Maganga's email address Lucas Smith's CPGH BC.
“In your introductory comment #63 you admit to following Mik Taerg’s inconclusive accusations against Smith on Smith’s Youtube site and them you come to FR to pile on in support of Mik Taerg’s speculations after Smith banned Mik Taerg. Did I get that right?”
NO! You’re WRONG!... Here is my post #63…addressed to InspectorSmith…
“I’ve silently followed the thread of discussion about the Kenyan Birth Certificate. I’ve also read a lot of postings in your youtube videos. You claimed to have refuted those who claim that the KBC is a forgery. That’s not what I’ve observed. It seems that when you’re unable to refute, you default to ad hominem which is an indication that you lost the argument. Please don’t take this as an attack on you. It is just an observation! There is this one post on your video that stuck in my mind and I’d really appreciate it if you give me an answer...please prove that you went to Kenya!”
Now tell me where it says in my comment that I followed Mik Taerg’s comments? I told InspectorSmith that I silently followed the thread of discussion about the KBC! Please understand that there are quite a few posters on those youtube videos. Please don’t put a twist on a very straight forward comment!
“And this is not in furtherance of the same vendetta as pursued by Mik Taerg,”…
WRONG AGAIN! …I’m following the THREAD OF DICUSSION relating to the Kenyan BC from EVERYONE !
“You were not even aware of Obama’s intensive involvement in the campaign of his fellow Luo tribesman Odinga in 2006”…
Hmm! Let’s see. You must be talking about Obama seen in pictures with Odinga as proof that he campaigned for Odinga! However, you refuse to acknowledge that there are also photographs of Obama with other politicians in Kenya! Are you even aware of “CODEL OBAMA”?
“at a very early stage, too early to suggest that Lucas Smith should be doubted because he won’t disclose how he obtained the BC or to suggest that any statement by Kenyan authorities could be believed.”
Look here, it been six (6) months of silence from Lucas. All this time he claims that the BC is real yet he refused to disclose proof that he went to Kenya. I now will lower the bar…Just tell me the airlines that he took RETURNING home! The airline manifest will prove that he was on that return flight!
False. Lucas Smith as been on his Youtube blog several times a week vocally defending himself and the specific features of the CPGH BC.
And just who do you think you are to demand that Lucas Smith answer your specific questions? Getting a little self-important there aren't you?
Lucas Smith's full story is much more valuable to him depending on when and where he chooses to release the full details. He may also altered some details and withholding details of his account to protect innocent folks who could be in physical or financial danger if details were released, but that doesn't seem to have occurred to you.
Smith is currently testifying in federal court where Taitz can ask him any question she wants to under penalty of perjury to attempt to impeach him. He is hardly hiding.
At the hearing before Judge Carter, Lucas Smith offered to submit himself to a full deposition by the DOJ which would absolutely have resulted in him being forced to reveal all the details as to how he went to Kenya, got the CPGH BC and came back. That is the proper setting for Lucas Smith to reveal all, not on blogs just to suit you and your curiosity and to deflect your accusations.
“The newspapers are very imprecise when reporting whether an individual is chief administrator of a medical department or alternatively chief administrator”
The newspaper articles are not imprecise at all, and they do not contradict each other. You are obviously not willing to read them.
“Two individuals can simultaneously be “chief administrator” with one being of a department and the other of the entire hospital.”
No. Wrong. As I posted previously heads of dpts are “deputy CA’s”. There are many references to them. You can do a search for “deputy chief administrator” + mombasa -(obviously) Obama, Lucas Smith.
“They can also change roles”. No they can’t. They are appointed by the National director of health who resonds directly to the Minister of public Health
“Othigo was on the way out in early 2009. Transitions can be messy and newspaper reporting sloppy, so public emergence of Maganga as chief of the hospital (with both phonetic spellings of his African name) could have easily been delayed by a few months.”
So public emergence about Maganga’s new position was delayed to all the public except for Lucas Smith. What was Maganga waiting for ? Do you believe that maybe he had to be sworn in ?
“You have reasonable suspicions about conflicting details, but you persist in falsely claiming that your personal suspicions regarding newspaper discrepancies that go both ways “prove” something. Your suspicions about mere discrepancies for which there are alternate exculpatory explanations prove nothing, in my opinion.”
There are no discrepancies about who was CA on Feb 19th 2009.Unless you consider Lucas’ Ghent theory to be a discrepancy.
There are discrepancies on Maganga’s name. A few articles published in June carry the name Helton. Successive articles call him Heltan. Medical directories, which list him from well before he was appointed, write his name as Heltan. Isn’t it funny that the June articles were the only ones available to Lucas when he performed his hoax ? Isn’t the fact that Lucas simply copied the mispelled name from the only source available at the time a reasonable “alternate exculpatory explanation” ?
Kindly can you please illustrate some of these “alternate exculpatory explanations” ?
” This is false. It is offensive to see such false statements in FR and especially coming from a new member. Sinclair’s affidavit of September 15, 2009 says no such thing. Sinclair made no statement whatsoever as to Taitz’ opinion of the authenticity of Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC.”
Don’t you also take offense when tenured members lie? It seems that you want to discredit me because I’m a neophyte! That is double standard and is offensive to me especially that you accused me of lying!
I stand by this…” According to Larry Sinclair’s affidavit, Orly Taitz knew that Lucas’ BC is a fake!”…here is the proof…
Page 7 item 11. “I emailed Lisa Liberi and informed her of the statements Dr. Taitz had made about her. I also informed Mrs. Liberi about Dr. Taitz soliciting perjured testimony from me in her (Dr. Taitz) California Case against President Obama and the fact that Dr. Taitz admitted knowing the Kenyan Birth Certificates she filed in Court in her California case, as genuine, claiming President Obama was born in Kenya were fake and fraudulent.”
NOW LET ME EMPHASIZE…. “Dr. Taitz admitted knowing the Kenyan Birth CERTIFICATES she filed in Court in her California case, as genuine, claiming President Obama was born in Kenya WERE fake and fraudulent.”
‘In this highly visible case Judge Carter, who must have known Lucas Smith’s very public history, refused to let Smith’s past “impeach” his testimony in his affidavit and Carter relied on Smith’s representations to admonish Taitz.’
Yes, I agree…BUT that does not make the Kenya BC real especially now that Sinclair disclosed that Orly Taitz knew that those BC’s were fake and fraudulent
“In the Rivernider case that is the subject of this thread, Lucas Smith has once again made himself available to cross-examination by Taitz, and exposed himself to a full-on effort by Taitz to impeach him under penalty of perjury.”
Yes, that’s correct…and for your reading pleasure check the link below.
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=6305
“It is not at all typical of fraudsters to deliberately go out of their way to testify under oath, in fact the opposite is true!”
That’s not necessarily true, there are those who believe in their own lies that they even appear in court defending themselves without the help of lawyers!
“We shall see, with the ruling, who prevails and who is found to be credible in yet another federal court. I’m betting that Lincoln will prevail with the testimony of Smith backing him up!”
And I’ll bet, Charles Lincoln will lose this one!
“False. Lucas Smith as been on his Youtube blog several times a week vocally defending himself and the specific features of the CPGH BC.”
Does vocally defending himself means calling posters names and devaluating those who ask him legitimate questions?
“And just who do you think you are to demand that Lucas Smith answer your specific questions? Getting a little self-important there aren’t you?”
Trust me, I’m not very important. I happen to be that destitute uneducated homeless person who is so used to insults coming from the most affluent members of our society. Therefore, does my being a nobody disqualify me from trying to engage in a healthy exchange of ideas with people like you and/or Lucas who belong to the higher strata of our American life?
“He may also altered some details and withholding details of his account to protect innocent folks who could be in physical or financial danger if details were released, but that doesn’t seem to have occurred to you.”
Hmm! It looks like a very good excuse for Lucas not to prove the validity of his KBC. Who will be endanged if Lucas discloses the airlines that he took coming from Kenya?
“Smith is currently testifying in federal court where Taitz can ask him any question she wants to under penalty of perjury to attempt to impeach him. He is hardly hiding.”
I did not say or implied that Lucas is hiding,did I? If you’re talking about the Florida court...that is going to be decided on this week. There will not be anymore testimonies. Unless, there are other federal court cases that I must have missed?
“That is the proper setting for Lucas Smith to reveal all, not on blogs just to suit you and your curiosity and to deflect your accusations.”
Let me say this again...since Lucas posted those videos for everyone to see. It’s just fair for anyone to ask and verify. Did Lucas expect for the viewers to just simply watch and accept that what they are watching is factual?
Now, will an acknowledgement that you misinterpreted my #64 post forthcoming? Or you’ll simply not make any comment about it?
” This is false. It is offensive to see such false statements in FR and especially coming from a new member. Sinclair’s affidavit of September 15, 2009 says no such thing. Sinclair made no statement whatsoever as to Taitz’ opinion of the authenticity of Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC.”
You, Sectumsepre, said:
“Don’t you also take offense when tenured members lie? It seems that you want to discredit me because I’m a neophyte! That is double standard and is offensive to me especially that you accused me of lying!
“I stand by this…” According to Larry Sinclair’s affidavit, Orly Taitz knew that Lucas’ BC is a fake!”…here is the proof…
“Page 7 item 11.”
Sectumsepra:
I said you posted false information, I never said you intentionally lied. But you have just now accused my of lying.
You posted a statement attributed to Larry Sinclair without a link and I assumed (incorrectly, I admit) which Sinclair affidavit I thought you claimed to be quoting, which was the Sep 15 2009 affidavit from the trial before Judge Carter involvinig both Sinclair and Smith.
I owe you an apology for saying you posted false information. I most certainly did not lie about what is in Sinclair’s Sep 15 affidavit.
Your quote came from an entirely different Sinclair affidavit of Sep. 30, 2009 in the Liberi case in PA. Your quote gives Sinclair's hearsay impression of what Taitz believed or said about Lucas Smith's BC and has no probative value (thus most likely inadmissible) and was made in a case totally unrelated to Smith and in which Smith is not appearing as a witness with no chance to rebutt Sinclair or Taitz. There is no evidence that Taitz made any attempt to authenticate Smith's BC, so how could any representations she made to Sinclair in passing be taken seriously? Also, Sinclair makes no statement as to _how_ Taitz supposedly knew that Smith's BC was fake.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/204096/thread/1200846405/last-1200846405/ODM
I didn’t bother to read beyond the first lines of your comment, the DOCUMENT linked above is in no way connected to the e-mail you are writing about.
“I’ve also read a lot of postings in your youtube videos. You claimed to have refuted those who claim that the KBC is a forgery. That’s not what I’ve observed.”
I dispute your observation. You show up at FR and immediately take up Mik Taerg’s exact arguments in #66. He is the most notorious person claiming to have conclusively rebutted Lucas Smith on Youtube all the while posting his own false claims, which he admitted in this thread.
I have nothing further to say to you.
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