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To: Seizethecarp

” This is false. It is offensive to see such false statements in FR and especially coming from a new member. Sinclair’s affidavit of September 15, 2009 says no such thing. Sinclair made no statement whatsoever as to Taitz’ opinion of the authenticity of Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC.”

Don’t you also take offense when tenured members lie? It seems that you want to discredit me because I’m a neophyte! That is double standard and is offensive to me especially that you accused me of lying!

I stand by this…” According to Larry Sinclair’s affidavit, Orly Taitz knew that Lucas’ BC is a fake!”…here is the proof…

Page 7 item 11. “I emailed Lisa Liberi and informed her of the statements Dr. Taitz had made about her. I also informed Mrs. Liberi about Dr. Taitz soliciting perjured testimony from me in her (Dr. Taitz) California Case against President Obama and the fact that Dr. Taitz admitted knowing the Kenyan Birth Certificates she filed in Court in her California case, as genuine, claiming President Obama was born in Kenya were fake and fraudulent.”

NOW LET ME EMPHASIZE…. “Dr. Taitz admitted knowing the Kenyan Birth CERTIFICATES she filed in Court in her California case, as genuine, claiming President Obama was born in Kenya WERE fake and fraudulent.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22039643/LIBERI-et-al-v-TAITZ-et-al-ECF-FILER-Request-for-Judicial-Notice-of-Larry-Sinclair-s-Affidavit-and-Exhibit-A-to-Larry-Sinclair-s-Affidavit-Tran

‘In this highly visible case Judge Carter, who must have known Lucas Smith’s very public history, refused to let Smith’s past “impeach” his testimony in his affidavit and Carter relied on Smith’s representations to admonish Taitz.’

Yes, I agree…BUT that does not make the Kenya BC real especially now that Sinclair disclosed that Orly Taitz knew that those BC’s were fake and fraudulent

“In the Rivernider case that is the subject of this thread, Lucas Smith has once again made himself available to cross-examination by Taitz, and exposed himself to a full-on effort by Taitz to impeach him under penalty of perjury.”

Yes, that’s correct…and for your reading pleasure check the link below.

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=6305

“It is not at all typical of fraudsters to deliberately go out of their way to testify under oath, in fact the opposite is true!”

That’s not necessarily true, there are those who believe in their own lies that they even appear in court defending themselves without the help of lawyers!

“We shall see, with the ruling, who prevails and who is found to be credible in yet another federal court. I’m betting that Lincoln will prevail with the testimony of Smith backing him up!”

And I’ll bet, Charles Lincoln will lose this one!


116 posted on 01/23/2010 12:59:11 PM PST by Sectumsepra
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To: Sectumsepra; InspectorSmith
I said:

” This is false. It is offensive to see such false statements in FR and especially coming from a new member. Sinclair’s affidavit of September 15, 2009 says no such thing. Sinclair made no statement whatsoever as to Taitz’ opinion of the authenticity of Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC.”

You, Sectumsepre, said:

“Don’t you also take offense when tenured members lie? It seems that you want to discredit me because I’m a neophyte! That is double standard and is offensive to me especially that you accused me of lying!

“I stand by this…” According to Larry Sinclair’s affidavit, Orly Taitz knew that Lucas’ BC is a fake!”…here is the proof…

“Page 7 item 11.”

Sectumsepra:

I said you posted false information, I never said you intentionally lied. But you have just now accused my of lying.

You posted a statement attributed to Larry Sinclair without a link and I assumed (incorrectly, I admit) which Sinclair affidavit I thought you claimed to be quoting, which was the Sep 15 2009 affidavit from the trial before Judge Carter involvinig both Sinclair and Smith.

I owe you an apology for saying you posted false information. I most certainly did not lie about what is in Sinclair’s Sep 15 affidavit.

Your quote came from an entirely different Sinclair affidavit of Sep. 30, 2009 in the Liberi case in PA. Your quote gives Sinclair's hearsay impression of what Taitz believed or said about Lucas Smith's BC and has no probative value (thus most likely inadmissible) and was made in a case totally unrelated to Smith and in which Smith is not appearing as a witness with no chance to rebutt Sinclair or Taitz. There is no evidence that Taitz made any attempt to authenticate Smith's BC, so how could any representations she made to Sinclair in passing be taken seriously? Also, Sinclair makes no statement as to _how_ Taitz supposedly knew that Smith's BC was fake.

118 posted on 01/23/2010 1:37:02 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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