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To: Sectumsepra; InspectorSmith
“I tell you that I don’t harbor any personal vendetta against Lucas? I simply want him to prove his kenyan bc. It appears to me that when you can’t rebut an assertion that you will now start an animosity between us?...I’d really prefer for Lucas Smith to answer all of my questions. And please don’t post any insults as I will not do that to you or anyone!”

I have a neurological disability that forces me off-line for hours at a time throughout the day. In your introductory comment #63 you admit to following Mik Taerg’s inconclusive accusations against Smith on Smith's Youtube site and them you come to FR to pile on in support of Mik Taerg’s speculations after Smith banned Mik Taerg.

Did I get that right? And this is not in furtherance of the same vendetta as pursued by Mik Taerg, i.e. declaring your speculations about Smith to be fact and then making accusations against Smith? You were not even aware of Obama's intensive involvement in the campaign of his fellow Luo tribesman Odinga in 2006 and the disaster that resulted, so your research into the affairs of Kenya and Obama is at a very early stage, too early to suggest that Lucas Smith should be doubted because he won't disclose how he obtained the BC or to suggest that any statement by Kenyan authorities could be believed. I have suggested that when the MSM and big money Democrat protection of Obama comes down in the US and in Kenya, it might be possible for investigative journalists and forensic scientists to do the vetting job that should have been done before the 2008 election. The fact that that vetting didn't occur is not the fault of Lucas Smith.

103 posted on 01/23/2010 7:49:06 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

“you admit to following Mik Taerg’s inconclusive accusations against Smith”

could you please explain what is so inconclusive about my accusations ?

Othigo as Chief Administrator of CPGH

here are the references to Jennifer Othigo as CA of CPGH before Feb 19th 2009, the date stamped above Maganga’s signature obove Lucas’ document.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/499590/-/tm7r8p/-/index.html
http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=227214&page=3
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/36898.html
http://www.eastandard.net/news/InsidePage.php?id=1144003096&cid=159&;;

here are the references that Othigo was still CA until April 13th 2009

Feb 24th http://www.vvog.be/docs/2009/02/24094002.doc
Mar 26th http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144009846&cid=159&;;
Feb 27th http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=247437&p=Nyeri+Town&page=2
Apr 13th http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html

here are the first refernces to Maganga as CA of CPGH

Jun 17th http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=58041
Jun 2009 (Kenya TV video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vL2ErPz7Qk

Heltan or Helton ?

All articles in The Nation, a Nairobi paper, call him Heltan. Heltan is also what you can read in the subtitles of the previous video.

Only The Standard has spelled him Helton and once even Heltun. Most recent Standard articles refer to Heltan.

There are also two medical directories that spell Heltan Mnjama Maganga

http://sskenya.org/?page_id=254 (found by Lucysmom)
http://www.healthoutsource.co.ke/directory/healthdirectory.php?id=1199

There is also an adress provided by ICHR as to where to send donations
http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/2009/10/07/a-doctors-blog-from-kenya/


108 posted on 01/23/2010 8:46:32 AM PST by Mik Taerg
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To: Seizethecarp; InspectorSmith

“In your introductory comment #63 you admit to following Mik Taerg’s inconclusive accusations against Smith on Smith’s Youtube site and them you come to FR to pile on in support of Mik Taerg’s speculations after Smith banned Mik Taerg. Did I get that right?”

NO! You’re WRONG!... Here is my post #63…addressed to InspectorSmith…

“I’ve silently followed the thread of discussion about the Kenyan Birth Certificate. I’ve also read a lot of postings in your youtube videos. You claimed to have refuted those who claim that the KBC is a forgery. That’s not what I’ve observed. It seems that when you’re unable to refute, you default to ad hominem which is an indication that you lost the argument. Please don’t take this as an attack on you. It is just an observation! There is this one post on your video that stuck in my mind and I’d really appreciate it if you give me an answer...please prove that you went to Kenya!”

Now tell me where it says in my comment that I followed Mik Taerg’s comments? I told InspectorSmith that I silently followed the thread of discussion about the KBC! Please understand that there are quite a few posters on those youtube videos. Please don’t put a twist on a very straight forward comment!

“And this is not in furtherance of the same vendetta as pursued by Mik Taerg,”…

WRONG AGAIN! …I’m following the THREAD OF DICUSSION relating to the Kenyan BC from EVERYONE !

“You were not even aware of Obama’s intensive involvement in the campaign of his fellow Luo tribesman Odinga in 2006”…

Hmm! Let’s see. You must be talking about Obama seen in pictures with Odinga as proof that he campaigned for Odinga! However, you refuse to acknowledge that there are also photographs of Obama with other politicians in Kenya! Are you even aware of “CODEL OBAMA”?

“at a very early stage, too early to suggest that Lucas Smith should be doubted because he won’t disclose how he obtained the BC or to suggest that any statement by Kenyan authorities could be believed.”

Look here, it been six (6) months of silence from Lucas. All this time he claims that the BC is real yet he refused to disclose proof that he went to Kenya. I now will lower the bar…Just tell me the airlines that he took RETURNING home! The airline manifest will prove that he was on that return flight!


113 posted on 01/23/2010 10:12:19 AM PST by Sectumsepra
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