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Spontaneous Abortion?! No, sorry my wife had a miscarriage!
FR ^ | 10/22/2009 | Domandred

Posted on 10/22/2009 9:05:29 AM PDT by Domandred

We had a mild tragedy in our family this month. Late last month we got pregnant with our second child.

Last week my wife started having severe abdominal pains with some bleeding and ended up in the hospital. Initially the doctors thought she just had an infection as everything looked fine and HGc(?) was still going up. They gave her some antibiotics for the infection and sent her on her way.

Two days later the bleeding got worse and pain got intensely worse. We went to the hospital again at 11:30pm Sunday night. This time her HGc was 6 points less than it was two days prior. Hospital put her on a morphine drip for the pain (it was that bad I guess). She was discharged at 5:00am Monday morning. With a Norco script for the pain and told pretty much all she can do it stick through it.

The ER referred her to a new OBGyn as her regular doctor was just a general practitioner for a followup appointment.

Yesterday was that follow up. I guess it went fairly well and the doctor even handled a few things (unrelated to the pregnancy/miscarriage) better than my wife's typical doctor.

He's the kicker though. On the OBGyn's patient paperwork that tells what was done for the visit. It looks to be printed by the hospital group and has little check boxes by each thing an OBGyn would handle.

Her miscarriage diagnosis was listed as...SPONTANEOUS ABORTION

Miscarriage doesn't appear anywhere on the paper.


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While "spontaneous abortion" is semantically correct for some reason it just struck me as highly offensive.

Sorry my wife didn't have a "spontaneous abortion". She had a miscarriage.

Yes I know I can't do anything about it, and doesn't really matter what the paperwork says. I just wanted to vent.

Maybe it's just me.

1 posted on 10/22/2009 9:05:31 AM PDT by Domandred
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To: Domandred

Been through that myself many times, you have my condolences.


2 posted on 10/22/2009 9:07:14 AM PDT by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: Domandred

I’m so sorry about your loss.


3 posted on 10/22/2009 9:08:18 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Domandred

I’m very sorry about your loss, and it’s definitely an unpleasant term to see.


4 posted on 10/22/2009 9:11:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Someday I will.)
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To: Domandred

so sorry :(


5 posted on 10/22/2009 9:14:36 AM PDT by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: Domandred

Been through it twice. Hate the term. I am so sorry for your loss.

Medicine tends to conflate abortion with miscarriage, when they have a differrent predictive effect on pregnancy outcome and psychosocial issues - at least if either has occured more than twice. You might want to prepare your wife for the GTPAL score that she may see at a later OB-GYN visit - gestations, term births, pre-term births, abortions (spontaneous and induced), living children.

Again, I am very sorry. Men and women tend to grieve differently in these matters. Be ready for that.


6 posted on 10/22/2009 9:18:41 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Domandred
It's not just you. :*(

I am so sorry for your loss. Prayers for quick healing and comfort for both of you going up. {{{{{Hugs}}}}}

I've had two "missed abortions" (no symptoms whatsoever, heartbeat at first few ultrasounds, then nothing at next appt.). That phrase was EXTREMELY offensive to me as well.

My first doctor was NOT sympathetic and when they saw that my first BABY had died, asked me, "What do you want to do with the products of conception?" Very matter of factly, no sympathy, emotion, NOTHING.

I was like, "Wha..??" (In shock, basically)

"You know, the leftovers from the pregnancy. We can do a D&C and remove them, or you can wait and see if you pass them naturally. Most women don't want the reminder though and choose the procedure."

Needless to say, I was finished with that doctor!
7 posted on 10/22/2009 9:19:55 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Domandred
I'm sorry - I also lost my second child in this manner. Please know that there may be some hormonal ups and downs associated with this, as with the birth of a child. I became very depressed, and the sight of a newborn, or even another pregnant friend, would send me into the bathroom to cry. Not jealousy, just the pain of loss.

I know this term is a medical diagnosis, but perhaps you could gently communicate to the dr's office how that term was offensive to you and your wife.

8 posted on 10/22/2009 9:21:07 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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Her miscarriage diagnosis was listed as...SPONTANEOUS ABORTION

Having worked in the field for a long time I assure you that that's the "medicalese" term for a miscarriage.I don't know when this term was first used by doctors...before or after legalized abortion.

The thing that always got me was that abortions were referred to as a "therapeutic abortion"...abbreviated "TAB".

Hopefully you and your wife will recover from this tragedy.

9 posted on 10/22/2009 9:24:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Domandred

I am sorry for your loss.

There’s emotion wrapped around that word/term, that’s for sure. It is a clinical term obviously, but it’s been so highly charged with religious/philosophical/political debate, that it’s hard to separate the clinical word from the debate surrounding it. We tend to burn words out especially when they’re emotionally charged. For example, think of how many words describing disabilities have been swapped out for new ones over the years when the negative connotations become too burdensome.


10 posted on 10/22/2009 9:25:35 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Domandred

My condolences. My wife had several.

But WE never got pregnant. Only her.


11 posted on 10/22/2009 9:27:25 AM PDT by envisio
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To: Domandred

“Spontaneous abortion” is the medical term.

I know. We’ve been through three in the last two years.


12 posted on 10/22/2009 9:27:26 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: pillut48
We can do a D&C and remove them

The hospital asked about a D&C. I didn't know what it meant so I asked. OUCH it hurt just finding out what it meant. No thank you!

My wife knew and had said "only if I have too" before I asked what it was.

13 posted on 10/22/2009 9:27:36 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: Domandred

My condolence on your loss.

I trust your doctor meant no harm, for billing/medical/legal purposes it is the term which they have to use.

What I find abhorrent is the term for the willfull killing of a living baby, that is called a therapeutic abortion.


14 posted on 10/22/2009 9:29:13 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Domandred

You’re not alone in finding it offensive. Years ago, and I mean 24 years ago...I had a miscarriage. Ended up in the ER and they kept referring to me as the “abortion” in bed such and such. It bothered me so much I asked them to quit using the term. They were patronizing explaining that it was what was medically termed a “spontaneous abortion” and I told them I didn’t care, I didn’t want to hear the word again.


15 posted on 10/22/2009 9:30:28 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dangerdoc
that is called a therapeutic abortion

Saw that on the check list too, think there was 6 in that grouping of possible check boxes, but I didn't make the connection.

Yea think that wording is worse than spontaneous.

16 posted on 10/22/2009 9:32:10 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: Paradox; All

Ditto, but only once, which was more than enough.

It was very painful for me — in more ways than one :(

Be there for her and be patient. It takes time to let go.

17 posted on 10/22/2009 9:37:10 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: envisio

No. It is THEIR pregnancy. She didn’t get pregnant ALONE. She isn’t suffering ALONE.

They WERE pregnant TOGETHER. And now they are grieving TOGETHER.


18 posted on 10/22/2009 9:40:43 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Domandred

Very sorry to hear it, all the best to you and your family.

And yes, the doctor’s language is offensive in the extreme.


19 posted on 10/22/2009 9:41:32 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood
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To: Domandred
I'm sorry for your loss. From personal experience I get tell you that the body doesn't know the difference between spontaneous abortion and birth. The body prepares to nurse a child, and there is no child. It's just one more hard thing to deal with.
20 posted on 10/22/2009 9:41:43 AM PDT by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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