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Question for "Birthers"...If you were to conclusively prove Obama isn't a "Nat Born Cit", what then?
FR | 7-29-09 | Bob J

Posted on 07/29/2009 9:49:22 AM PDT by Bob J

I'm not taking a position one way or the other, I have been watching the "Birther" controversy with interest.

In answering my question, please go further than the obvious, in other words what would be the outfall and how would you handle the eventual constitutional crisis? Would Biden become prez? If he is no longer viable, would it then fall to Pelosi?

I'm asking the birther supporters to think long range about this.


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KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birther; birthers; certifigate; colb; constitution; hillary; imom; naturalborn; obamanoncitizenissue; obroma; releasethebc
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To: envisio

I live in the country up on top of a hill. My neighbors, relatives and I find rioting to be rude and we have many guns.

If they show up, chances are they won’t leave standing up.


101 posted on 07/29/2009 11:08:30 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: NC28203
whether John McCain, born on Panamanian soil, is a natural born citizen

It goes to jurisdiction. He was born on a US occupied military base and hence US soil. Both parents were US citizens. McLame is a natural born US citizen.

102 posted on 07/29/2009 11:09:01 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: All

What I find interesting is that most of the people saying “follow the constitution” don’t seem to have any idea what the constitution says.


103 posted on 07/29/2009 11:09:38 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: Bob J

From Article II of the U.S. Constitution.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President.


104 posted on 07/29/2009 11:11:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: cvq3842

there is no remedy in the Constitution


105 posted on 07/29/2009 11:14:08 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: a fool in paradise
He claims to be a Christian. I want to see the baptism record. When and where did it occur and who did it? Jeremiah Wright? Someone when he was a child?

Wrong thread, fool.

106 posted on 07/29/2009 11:15:10 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Clara Lou
I suppose just follow the line of succession. I know there are statutes, which would have to be read and interpreted.

I guess my point was that some people seem to want to “strategize” over the situation - still a hypothetical at this point, to determine what the outcome would be, before going forward and “calling a foul” on the natural born citizen issue. I think that's a mistake. I think either the laws apply, or they don't. Opening the door to “gaming” them - which some seem to want to do - is a recipe for anarchy.

107 posted on 07/29/2009 11:16:30 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: rlmorel; Bob J
Honestly, what I see happening is that there will never be an *aha* moment. Just like in the search for WMD's in Iraq. There will never be the "smoking gun" of evidence revealed, and their side will believe he is eligible no matter what you wave in their face. "Birthers", including myself will always question whether or not he is eligible.

I am 99.9% sure that we will never see the day that he is booted from office. And we will never know the whole truth.

108 posted on 07/29/2009 11:18:48 AM PDT by CharlieOK1 (Jimmy Carter: Now available in 1/2 black)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

This is the second dumbest post on this thread.


109 posted on 07/29/2009 11:19:19 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: All
This is what I have to say on the use of the term “birther”, then I'll shut up.

To me, having a marketing background, the BIRTHERS have a million dollar brand/word that was handed to them on a silver platter. A Madison Ave marketing firm would spent a hundred million dollars of your money getting YOUR catch phrase on the lips of so many Americans.

Most people know it, they know what it refers to, it is one word, only two syllables, fits on the headline of every newspaper or periodical.

And it didn't cost you dime.

If I were an ardent Birther I would be screaming it from the mountaintops, driving it into the psyche of every American, every voter. I would get down on my knees and thank my maker that such a gift was sent my way.

Instead, you reject it and attack anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who has the gall to use it.

And as I said, you could do a whole lot worse...like “tea-bagger”.

So funny.

110 posted on 07/29/2009 11:20:34 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: Bob J
Yes, FOLLOW the CONSTITUTION!

Article II, Section 1, Clauses 5-6

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)


111 posted on 07/29/2009 11:21:14 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: subterfuge
I use "birthers" because it's a lot shorter than "those who believe Obama is not a U.S. citizen." I mean no disrespect.

There are no mulligans here. Obama won the election.

112 posted on 07/29/2009 11:23:30 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: dirtboy
Agreed. Biden isn't so dumb as to start WWIII. He would appoint Hillary but by that time the both of them would be walking on eggshells and not drawing attention to themselves with any further ridiculous spending. Best case scenario would be that everything Hussein signed would be burned in a public bonfire in the WH veggie garden. Clean up from the stimulus et al would take time and would not be pretty but so be it. Clean up of congress is also in order because both parties are at fault. Neither did their job from vetting to running McLame to passing the buck stock market/housing/unemployment.
113 posted on 07/29/2009 11:23:57 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: ctdonath2
Maybe the lesson would remind people why we follow the Constitution; ignoring it causes huge problems. If we get into such a mess, it’s because someone created the mess - not because we insist the mess be cleaned up.

Hear, hear.

114 posted on 07/29/2009 11:25:35 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Bob J

We should get together and form “The Birth Society.”


115 posted on 07/29/2009 11:26:13 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Eagle Eye
Consequences for upholding the Constitution? WTF do you think the consequences would be for the country if an unqualified person with documented foreign connections stays illegitimately in office?

It would be a victory for the constitution. But I think you guys are wrong. Obama won the election and I am satisfied that he is an American citizen.

116 posted on 07/29/2009 11:27:27 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
It would be a victory for the constitution.

How so?

117 posted on 07/29/2009 11:32:42 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Bob J

True. “Birther” is simple, to the point and catchy. Since sheeple can’t wrap their minds around “natural born” they certainly couldn’t grasp “constitutionalist” either.


118 posted on 07/29/2009 11:34:11 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: IYAS9YAS
I wrote: "It would be a terrible day for America if the birthers are right."

You replied: "No. The terrible day was the day a person who had not been properly and sufficiently vetted was elected president. The correction would be terrible, but it would be a great day for the Constitution."

That is actually what I mean to convey in my post.

119 posted on 07/29/2009 11:34:48 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Deb

Name calling is the hallmark of anti-birthers, evolutionists and Democrats. You also may be happier as an Obama-bot.


120 posted on 07/29/2009 11:38:47 AM PDT by bvw
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