Posted on 07/26/2009 5:07:16 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
Researching the Obama birth certificate conspiracy has yielded many theories and wild speculations. Despite the likelihood that most of them are without merit, the one haunting theme i: what is Obama hiding? The forged birth certificate that appeared on Obama’s campaign site has spawned new curiosities, theories and demands to know where in the world is Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Is it in Kenya, Hawaii, Chicago, and Indonesia?
We believe the Certification of Live Birth is authentic, but that is not that part where it gets tricky with parsing of words and comparing apples to oranges. The document provided by the Obama campaign to Factcheck.org, which Obama has ties to, has nagging issues. First of all, the document presented is technically inferior, and people want to see the vault or long form. See an example of a real long form Certificate of Live Birth. Its shades of Bill Clinton and what the definition of what “is” is and this is where the unhinged pundits of Obama can’t seem to distinguish the difference. What Americans want to see is the above and they were given a document that does not have enough information and simply conveys that a Certificate of Live Birth exists. Below is a side-by-side image of what people are asking for and what they got. Fact: Obama released a Certification of Live Birth but failed to provide the requested Certificate of Live Birth. This political maneuver is known as the Dodd-Dodge.
The Kindergarten Conspiracy is simply that Obama's Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the State of Hawaii Department of Education. See the above link to where local paper reports the lost records. The important feature of this conspiracy is that Kindergarten records would have contained the following: 1. Obama's REAL Birth Certificate. 2. An application with the following: • His Legal name. • Parents or Legal Guardians’ names. • Date of Birth • Place of Birth • Vaccination Records
Conspiracy theorists contend that the loss of records is important for two additional reasons. The Department of Education does not "lose" the records of one particular student. Breeding the claim, who paid whom what sum to make this record disappear? Finally the loss prevents the release of shamefully low test scores, embarrassing Equal Opportunity advancements, and trails of fraudulent funding to hide that could possibly "excuse" the quashing of public school Kindergarten entry records. Adding to the fuel is the fact that for the rest of his life he attended very expensive private schools and has had his records legally sealed to deny the public his true life story.
School in JakartaThe Kindergarten twins (Nordyke) conspiracy spun off from the “lost” kindergarten records. The question is why the Nordyke twin’s, who were born a few hours after Obama, announcement was missing from the newspaper. The theory is that they were removed so Obama’s could be inserted. A possible explanation is that since the father was a physician of some note the girls’ birth announcement was in the announced in a separate article. The mother of twin’s recalls nothing of significance while she was in the hospital and can neither confirm or deny Obama and his mother were there.
The Jakarta plot begins with Obama’s stepfather (Lolo Soetero) taking the family to Jakarta, Indonesia and enrolled him in a Catholic school (Fransiskus Assisi) as Barry Soetoro as seen on the only document that exists in the public from any of Obama’s schools. It was not released by Obama but obtained by an investigative reporter.
This document bred a whole new series of heories that Obama was adopted by Soetero and Obama became a citizen on Indonesia. Under Indonesian law, Obama could not hold dual citizenship. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen. This led to theory that Obama traveled to Pakistan in college under an Indonesia passport. In the early 1980’s, it was very difficult to enter Pakistan under a U.S. passport.
The Barry Soetero issue exploded into theories that Obama’s real name was Barry Soetero and he attended U.S. colleges under that name and as an Indonesian national. The fact that all of Obama’s school records are sealed flamed the conspiracy fire. It was not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned. The facts are that in Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student's legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings. According to Indonesian legal experts, it was difficult to enroll non-Indonesian citizens in public schooling.
It was the scrutiny of Obama’s Indonesia chapter that fueled the fires that Obama was a Muslim, received Muslim teachings in school and attended a Mosque regularly with Lolo Soetero. However, it was the Pakistan trip revelation that raised a few eyebrows. Obama last April disclosed he traveled as a college student to Pakistan in 1981. "I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college – I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee," Obama reportedly stated at a fundraising event. Obama had not previously disclosed any trip to Pakistan, either in his books or in a multitude of policy talks regarding Pakistan.
Obama’s disclosure prompted ABC News to contact the presidential candidate's campaign, which confirmed that in 1981, the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University, Barack visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. Obama then went on to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from that country, the campaign said. Further, it was disclosed that Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, said the campaign, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.
Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule. It was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance. It would have been easier for someone to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. If Obama indeed possessed Indonesian citizenship as a child, it is unlikely he retains such citizenship. This has never been disclosed or discussed by the Obama campaign. This posed the question about Obama's registration in Indonesia under the name "Barry Soetoro" also raises questions as to whether he adopted that name in the U.S. at any time. According to Illinois state filings, when Obama registered as an attorney in 1991, under the name Barack Obama, he attested to never using any other names or aliases.
Most of the conspiracies may seem petty and insignificant, but it does indicate that Obama has not been transparent or honest with the American people or the fact he could easily put this to rest but elects not to. Remember, this is the man that said he attended a church for twenty years and never listened to a sermon.
In Part 3, we’ll discuss the Sarah Obama interview and Mombasa hospital who claims to have medical records on Obama and his mother but have been classified by the state. Then there is the Michelle Obama interview with API, and API attempting to sell to Fox News the exclusive recordings and copies Obama’s birth documents.
Obama during the campaign promised to go nuclear on any of his opponents that brought up the natural born issue, I believe that in pure Chicago style he privately promised riots in the streets if anyone dared to question his eligibility, so no one did.
“Too Many UnAnswered Questions”?I have a question:”Why Are They Being Asked Now”??
Exactly. When was his US passport issued? If after his trip..Case closed. Why do you think there was such a row over an agent in the passport office looking up his file??? Would it be too much to ask the date of his US passport?
Re: your assertion that the passport to Pakistan is the real issue, you probably are right. But, what about this new assertion by Orly Taitz that he used as many as 39 different Social Security Numbers, including one belonging to a deceased CT citizen who would be 113 eyars old, had he lived??
My understanding is that a minor could not lose his American citizenship due to the actions of a parent. He could become a minor citizen of another country, hence dual nationality, but would need to make an election at the age of maturity. I don't know if that would have been 18 or 21 in BO's case.
By that time, BO was living in Hawaii with his grandparents. But given the political predilictions of his family, I would not be surprised if they blew off that obligation, or even found it desirable to remain a foreign national as long as he had permanent residency.
PING!
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“The question is why the Nordyke twin’s, who were born a few hours after Obama, announcement was missing from the newspaper. The theory is that they were removed so Obama’s could be inserted.”
I coulodn’t AGREE more!We thought”The Clintons”were CRIMINALS?That was a “Sunday School Picnic”compared to what is going on now!
All this chatter over being born in a foreign country is bogus...and people are wasting their time.
I am also not sure that a Kenyan birth is credible, however there is some reason why the address presented on the birth announcement was never inhabited by the Obamas. (Barrack Sr., Stanley, Barrack Jr.) There is also no evidence that they ever lived together as family. There is some reason that there is no record of his birth at either of the Honolulu Hospital. There is some reason that he has no visible history. NONE.
There is irrefutable evidence of his mentoring and indoctrination by a communist agent...Frank Marshall Davis.
The minute you get to his legendary story over traveling to Pakistan...at that point in time...the visa and passport business should have clicked in your mind.
There was no ban on Americans travelling to Pakistan at that time. I know that for a fact having personally travelled there a number of times during that period. There were travel advisories, primarily because our Embassy had been burned down by a Pakistani mob.
The last remaining topic of interest here...is that you can’t find a single friend or associate from this college period who talks over the guy and his travels, etc.
And you know this how? Just a "gut feeling?"
Not nearly good enough.
His paternal grandmother insists having attended his birth at a hospital in Kenya, which U.S. Immigration/Passport records indicate his mother visited right around the time of his birth.
It is further alleged that she was too close to delivering lilla Barrakkki-poo to be allowed on the airplane, and was instead taken to the hospital to deliver the nasty looking flap-eared goon. He now holds the unlikely dual distinction of being both the world's Biggest Liar and the Worst President In American History.
I'm convinced he's also an illegal alien, and I wonder why you feel the need to cover up for him... you couldn't possibly have proof of your highly improbable suggestion, do you? If you do have such proof, I in all candor and dire sincerity suggest that you sleep lightly... you're potentially very inconvenient to the most powerful BO on the planet.
Others who have proven inconvenient to him aren't doing so well right now...
;-/
When someone hides something, they have something to hide. That speaks for itself.
You wrote-
“Despite being called a nut, crazy or a tin foil hat wearer, I have been a birther from the beginning. I was told to move on and attack him on the issues. Obviously that didnt get us very far. It’s not only the fact that we have not seen the records, but the effort that has been taken to prevent them from becoming public. IMHO, there is a smoking gun, or should I say smoking cannon hiden somewhere in these missing records.”
And you know this HOW? Has anyone seen these records, or is this all conjecture?
I agree, I’ve long thought there was a coverup regarding his original long form birth certificate, but I don’t claim to know the real reason behind it. The whole Kenyan birth scenario looks like a long shot and smells too “kooky conspiracy theory” to me. This idea that he was an indonesian citizen and covered it up actually makes a lot of sense. If indeed that was the case, wouldn’t it mean he holds dual allegiances and be ineligible for the presidency?
A parent cannot terminate the US citizenship of their minor children:
"Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship."
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html
It’s looking more and more like a criminal case. Identity theft is a major crime.
“Re: your assertion that the passport to Pakistan is the real issue, you probably are right. But, what about this new assertion by Orly Taitz that he used as many as 39 different Social Security Numbers, including one belonging to a deceased CT citizen who would be 113 eyars old, had he lived??”
As far as US law is concerned, no, he did not have to make an election. We recognize dual nationality
Yes, and it is obvious that the mentoring took effect.
There have been those who suggested that Frank was his father. And Franks reputation would suggest that is possible.
I do not believe that Frank is his father, but his total history is a “Zero” (Blank).
“It’s the cover up that’s the story.”
Thats for sure. Thing is, what is he really covering up? A PI working for Dr Orley Taitz dug up info about his use of multiple Social Security numbers. Amazes me that nobody sees probable felony identity theft when he was in college as an issue. I keep harping on this, maybe it will get someones attention and we can boot the felonious impostor out of office:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHYwIM2gpJE
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