Posted on 07/26/2009 5:07:16 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
Researching the Obama birth certificate conspiracy has yielded many theories and wild speculations. Despite the likelihood that most of them are without merit, the one haunting theme i: what is Obama hiding? The forged birth certificate that appeared on Obama’s campaign site has spawned new curiosities, theories and demands to know where in the world is Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Is it in Kenya, Hawaii, Chicago, and Indonesia?
We believe the Certification of Live Birth is authentic, but that is not that part where it gets tricky with parsing of words and comparing apples to oranges. The document provided by the Obama campaign to Factcheck.org, which Obama has ties to, has nagging issues. First of all, the document presented is technically inferior, and people want to see the vault or long form. See an example of a real long form Certificate of Live Birth. Its shades of Bill Clinton and what the definition of what “is” is and this is where the unhinged pundits of Obama can’t seem to distinguish the difference. What Americans want to see is the above and they were given a document that does not have enough information and simply conveys that a Certificate of Live Birth exists. Below is a side-by-side image of what people are asking for and what they got. Fact: Obama released a Certification of Live Birth but failed to provide the requested Certificate of Live Birth. This political maneuver is known as the Dodd-Dodge.
The Kindergarten Conspiracy is simply that Obama's Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the State of Hawaii Department of Education. See the above link to where local paper reports the lost records. The important feature of this conspiracy is that Kindergarten records would have contained the following: 1. Obama's REAL Birth Certificate. 2. An application with the following: • His Legal name. • Parents or Legal Guardians’ names. • Date of Birth • Place of Birth • Vaccination Records
Conspiracy theorists contend that the loss of records is important for two additional reasons. The Department of Education does not "lose" the records of one particular student. Breeding the claim, who paid whom what sum to make this record disappear? Finally the loss prevents the release of shamefully low test scores, embarrassing Equal Opportunity advancements, and trails of fraudulent funding to hide that could possibly "excuse" the quashing of public school Kindergarten entry records. Adding to the fuel is the fact that for the rest of his life he attended very expensive private schools and has had his records legally sealed to deny the public his true life story.
School in JakartaThe Kindergarten twins (Nordyke) conspiracy spun off from the “lost” kindergarten records. The question is why the Nordyke twin’s, who were born a few hours after Obama, announcement was missing from the newspaper. The theory is that they were removed so Obama’s could be inserted. A possible explanation is that since the father was a physician of some note the girls’ birth announcement was in the announced in a separate article. The mother of twin’s recalls nothing of significance while she was in the hospital and can neither confirm or deny Obama and his mother were there.
The Jakarta plot begins with Obama’s stepfather (Lolo Soetero) taking the family to Jakarta, Indonesia and enrolled him in a Catholic school (Fransiskus Assisi) as Barry Soetoro as seen on the only document that exists in the public from any of Obama’s schools. It was not released by Obama but obtained by an investigative reporter.
This document bred a whole new series of heories that Obama was adopted by Soetero and Obama became a citizen on Indonesia. Under Indonesian law, Obama could not hold dual citizenship. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen. This led to theory that Obama traveled to Pakistan in college under an Indonesia passport. In the early 1980’s, it was very difficult to enter Pakistan under a U.S. passport.
The Barry Soetero issue exploded into theories that Obama’s real name was Barry Soetero and he attended U.S. colleges under that name and as an Indonesian national. The fact that all of Obama’s school records are sealed flamed the conspiracy fire. It was not clear whether Soetoro adopted Obama, either in Hawaii or in Indonesia, but there is strong circumstantial evidence that he did as far as Indonesian law was concerned. The facts are that in Indonesia, which was under tight rule in 1967, Obama clearly took on the last name of his stepfather in school registration documents. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, which needed to bear the student's legal name, which should be matched in public school registration filings. According to Indonesian legal experts, it was difficult to enroll non-Indonesian citizens in public schooling.
It was the scrutiny of Obama’s Indonesia chapter that fueled the fires that Obama was a Muslim, received Muslim teachings in school and attended a Mosque regularly with Lolo Soetero. However, it was the Pakistan trip revelation that raised a few eyebrows. Obama last April disclosed he traveled as a college student to Pakistan in 1981. "I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college – I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee," Obama reportedly stated at a fundraising event. Obama had not previously disclosed any trip to Pakistan, either in his books or in a multitude of policy talks regarding Pakistan.
Obama’s disclosure prompted ABC News to contact the presidential candidate's campaign, which confirmed that in 1981, the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University, Barack visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. Obama then went on to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from that country, the campaign said. Further, it was disclosed that Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, said the campaign, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.
Pakistan in 1981 was under military rule. It was difficult for U.S. citizens to travel to the country without assistance. It would have been easier for someone to enter Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. If Obama indeed possessed Indonesian citizenship as a child, it is unlikely he retains such citizenship. This has never been disclosed or discussed by the Obama campaign. This posed the question about Obama's registration in Indonesia under the name "Barry Soetoro" also raises questions as to whether he adopted that name in the U.S. at any time. According to Illinois state filings, when Obama registered as an attorney in 1991, under the name Barack Obama, he attested to never using any other names or aliases.
Most of the conspiracies may seem petty and insignificant, but it does indicate that Obama has not been transparent or honest with the American people or the fact he could easily put this to rest but elects not to. Remember, this is the man that said he attended a church for twenty years and never listened to a sermon.
In Part 3, we’ll discuss the Sarah Obama interview and Mombasa hospital who claims to have medical records on Obama and his mother but have been classified by the state. Then there is the Michelle Obama interview with API, and API attempting to sell to Fox News the exclusive recordings and copies Obama’s birth documents.
Excerpt- Under Indonesian law, Obama could not hold dual citizenship. But U.S. law would still recognize Obama as an American citizen. This led to theory that Obama traveled to Pakistan in college under an Indonesia passport. In the early 1980’s, it was very difficult to enter Pakistan under a U.S. passport.
E-Mail CNN and ask them to cover the Barack Obama “must release his records” issue which will inform us if he is a natural born citizen or not. Please thank Lou Dobbs for covering the story:
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Too many unanswered questions...
Right you are!
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“Too many unanswered questions...”
It’s the cover up that’s the story.
Just a humble opinion....but when Stanley ended up marrying the Indonesian dude...it’s very likely that she ended up terminating his citizenship (in effect, giving it up)...to make this Indonesian citizenship episode work. If you can imagine the workings of a 3rd world country and their bureaucratic nature...I can easily see some naive American girl easily agreeing and doing legal paperwork to trigger such a stupid decision.
All this chatter over being born in a foreign country is bogus...and people are wasting their time.
The minute you get to his legendary story over traveling to Pakistan...at that point in time...the visa and passport business should have clicked in your mind. He had no issue...he had the Indonesian passport. At that point, you should ask more questions....but instead, we end up wasting time talking over Hawaii and how he got born in Kenya.
The last remaining topic of interest here...is that you can’t find a single friend or associate from this college period who talks over the guy and his travels, etc. He is a virtual unknown. When you look at Stanley and her period in Hawaii...at the university, and then this period in Indonesia....she is a virtual unknown. They both blend in and quietly just sit there.
There is a story here....but it’s barely noticed for a reason.
I've not followed the details of this issue closely; I'm one of the "he's clearly hiding something, so what is it" crowd. So here's my naive question:
I had the notion that children with dual nationalities needed to make an election when they reached maturity. Assuming he was born in Hawaii, BO would have been U.S.-Kenyan. If he later became an Indonesian national, he would have been U.S.-Indonesian. Did he need to make a citizenship election at age 18 or 21? Did he?
Although I am interested in the Birth certificate thing, I wish it would go away until someone found the smoking gun. Who knows, this whole thing might just be a ploy to make conservatives look bad.
Correct! To school in Indonesia, a student must be an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia does not permit dual citizenship.
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“Just a humble opinion....but when Stanley ended up marrying the Indonesian dude...it’s very likely that she ended up terminating his citizenship (in effect, giving it up)...to make this Indonesian citizenship episode work. If you can imagine the workings of a 3rd world country and their bureaucratic nature...I can easily see some naive American girl easily agreeing and doing legal paperwork to trigger such a stupid decision.
All this chatter over being born in a foreign country is bogus...and people are wasting their time.
The minute you get to his legendary story over traveling to Pakistan...at that point in time...the visa and passport business should have clicked in your mind. He had no issue...he had the Indonesian passport. At that point, you should ask more questions....but instead, we end up wasting time talking over Hawaii and how he got born in Kenya.
The last remaining topic of interest here...is that you can’t find a single friend or associate from this college period who talks over the guy and his travels, etc. He is a virtual unknown. When you look at Stanley and her period in Hawaii...at the university, and then this period in Indonesia....she is a virtual unknown. They both blend in and quietly just sit there.
There is a story here....but it’s barely noticed for a reason.”
I don’t believe that there is any record of him doing so. He probably lost U.S. citizenship when he was adopted and schooled in Indonesia.
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“Did he need to make a citizenship election at age 18 or 21? Did he?”
Correct, but they have to live in this country with us. We will keep the heat on and eventually the Constitution will be enforced and Obama removed from office.
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“Laws do not apply to Democrats, and they are ‘erased’ nunc pro tunc.”
I went to the link to read this article and I find it poorly written and poorly formatted (misspellings, links and captions are wrong, etc.).
Perhaps the facts are true, but when the article is is not put together well, it lacks credibility.
When someone is running for the presidency of the US, full disclosure should be mandatory. There is, in my view, no such thing as ‘petty and insignificant’. The press knew Bush's academic record, his DUI arrest, his alcoholism history, his service record, etc. etc. We know almost nothing about Obama except that he has a troubling history of hanging around people with anti-American views. If he were a Republican these would not be ‘conspiracy theories’. They would be big news stories reported on and investigated by the MSM.
I am also not sure that a Kenyan birth is credible, however there is some reason why the address presented on the birth announcement was never inhabited by the Obamas. (Barrack Sr., Stanley, Barrack Jr.) There is also no evidence that they ever lived together as family. There is some reason that there is no record of his birth at either of the Honolulu. There is some reason that he has no visible history. NONE.
“Who knows, this whole thing might just be a ploy to make conservatives look bad.”
Instead of focusing solely on the COLB, the totality of this guy’s life up to age 28 being sealed, erased, forgotten etc is highly suspicious. Having had an Indonesian passport isn’t going to have him removed from office, but the fact it was hidden would just lead to more fact finding, investigation, etc.
The coverup is usually where the law is broken.
Right you are! If Hussein were a Republican, 1/2 of the news libs would be in Mombasa, Kenya searching for his birth certificate.
You wrote-
“When someone is running for the presidency of the US, full disclosure should be mandatory. There is, in my view, no such thing as ‘petty and insignificant’. The press knew Bush’s academic record, his DUI arrest, his alcoholism history, his service record, etc. etc. We know almost nothing about Obama except that he has a troubling history of hanging around people with anti-American views. If he were a Republican these would not be ‘conspiracy theories’. They would be big news stories reported on and investigated by the MSM.”
Despite being called a nut, crazy or a tin foil hat wearer, I have been a birther from the beginning. I was told to move on and attack him on the issues. Obviously that didnt get us very far. It’s not only the fact that we have not seen the records, but the effort that has been taken to prevent them from becoming public. IMHO, there is a smoking gun, or should I say smoking cannon hiden somewhere in these missing records.
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