Obama birth certificate issue not going away

Baltimore Christian Conservative Examiner ^ | July 21, 2009 | Larry Amon

[real_patriotic_american]

In a quest that is seen as wacky, way out there and as bitter partisan politics by some,the issue of Obama not showing his birth certificate to prove he is a naturalized American citizen continues. Is this really just some conspiracy theory along the lines of 9/11 truthers and alien cover ups? At first glance it seems like it. But surprisingly many American’s seem to actually believe there is some possibility of truth in this claim that Obama is not a citizen. WND continues to run stories on it but most recently a congressman’s town hall meeting became overwhelmed with the issue.

Many people will immediately jump up and say “Obama produced a birth certificate, what more do you want?” Apparently Obama provided a certificate of live birth (COLB) which is not the same as a long form birth certificate. The long form birth certificate should provide evidence that can be corroborated. The COLB provided on factcheck.org does not show a hospital, doctor’s name or anything else that can be checked, just a time and city. This COLB can also be obtained by non citizens.

Obama could easily release his long form birth certificate but hasn’t. Just to stop people from talking about it and to show that he has the most transparent administration, you think he would.

Many liberals, moderates and even some conservatives will probably read this and just say “get over it already.” There is a time to let things go and personally I already have. Not because I don’t think it’s important but because I think Obama will never release this information and even if it is true that he is not a natural citizen, that nothing will change. But should people just get over this? If it is true, it is the biggest scam in history. People never got over Bush’s decision to go to war with Iraq, should everyone just forget about this issue?

The argument could easily be made that if Obama does not qualify to be president than all of the bills he signed and executive orders he issued would have to be undone. This is very important but would cause huge upheaval. I don’t know if the American people would be able to handle this kind of event and the ramifications of the loss in trust of the government. It doesn’t mean the truth shouldn’t be fully investigated though but I sincerely doubt it ever will be

[BP2]

For Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth in Honolulu, HA, to be accurate, the following improbable events needed to occur for his COLB to accurate:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by just-about the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands (the 1960 Census shows the population of blacks in Hawaii to be at 0.7 percent)

2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.

3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.

10 months AFTER her first day at the Univ of Hawaii, she gives birth to BHO II at EITHER the Queen's or Kapiolani Medical Center, and immediately LEAVES behind:
a) her parents in Honolulu
b) her new husband in Honolulu, and
c) her new home in Honolulu (her parents had just moved there, reportedly in June 1960) ...
... to fly ALONE with a 3-week-old newborn baby 2,800 miles to Seattle to start college at the Univ of Washington.

Then ... Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard, in Fall of 1962.

Even the Obots realize this is an implausible series of events is made even more suspicious in that -NEVER- does Obama Jr in his two books mention that his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was EVER in Washington State during their marriage until they were divorced in March 1964 ...

... occam's razor ...
... propensity of evidence ...
... reasonable doubt ...
... trust but verify...
... common sense ...

[Callahan]

The DUers have certainly latched onto “Birther” (think 9/11 Truther) as their pejorative of choice. I have my doubts that ZerO coule pull off a fraud of this magnitude, but would certainly laugh like a hyena if it turned out to be true. What are the informed people saying about the Honolulu advertiser Obama birth announcement that some Hillary blogger found on microfiche? That seemed to kill it for alot of people.

[a real Sheila]

You would think with the money he has available and the people who are willing to fall on the grenade for him that he would at least present a damned good forgery. He has the minions who are willing to swear to its authenticity!
That he won’t even do that shows his arrogance and he is thumbing his nose at America and saying, “I may or may NOT be a legal citizen. You will always have to wonder and cannot do a damned thing about it!”

[Non-Sequitur]

He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it.

No he wouldn't.

[Tarpon]

LOL — dead on.

[marron]

Occidental has released no records that I am aware of.

This is my undertstanding as well. There is a hoax that keeps circulating that says it was released, but as far as I know it was never released.

[a real Sheila]

does he have a U.S. passport?
If so, for how long has he had one and how did he originally get one?

[dynachrome]

Very good work on the timeline!

[Non-Sequitur]

He apparently didn’t have a US passport until he was in congress, which means he traveled as an Indonesian citizen.

And how do you know that?

Someone who has dual citizenship as a child has to choose when he becomes an adult. Having chosen to be other than a US citizen, he can’t come back later and run for president as a natural-born citizen.

Not according to U.S. law. Other countries may require dual citizens to make a choice - Kenya, for example - but the U.S. does not.

[real_patriotic_american]

Obama won’t release his birth certificate because he has something to hide. Also, he added strength to our claim when he rescinded Major Cook’s deployment instead of face-off in court where Obama would face subpoena of his documents.

[Conscience of a Conservative]

I keep seeing different figures, all somewhere around $1 million, re: how much Obama has spent on these cases, and I’ve yet to see a citation. Do you have any citation for your number?

[BP2]

This timeline is even MORE precise:

    June 1960 -- Ann moved to Hawaii with Parents (exact date unknown)
    Sept 1960 -- Ann started classes at U of Hawaii (exact date: Sept. 26, 1960)
    Oct 1960 -- Got pregnant by Obama SR
    Feb 1961 -- Married Obama SR (Feb. 2, 1961)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 2 months, 5 days
-- a big, six-month void --
    Aug 1961 -- Gave birth to Obama JR on Aug. 4, 1961 (reportedly in Hawaii and on that date)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 8 months, 7 days
    Aug 1961 -- Sighting by Susan Blake in late-August on Mercer Island, Seattle (Obama Jr reportedly 3 weeks old) -- SHE'S TRAVELING FROM HAWAII TO SEATTLE, in 1961, WITH A 3-WK-OLD, only to ship the baby BACK to start classes in Seattle? Highly doubtful ...
    Fall 1961 -- Attended classes in Seattle at University of Washington (see transcripts below), but not with University of Hawaii in Spring of 1961 -- possible BREAK in Hawaiian Residency status, depending on when she left Hawaii
    Fall 1961 -- a Listing for Stanley Ann Obama appears in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library: "Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th Ave. E. apt. 2"
    1961-1962 -- Anna Obama phone listing, as listed in Seattle Reverse Directory, 1961-1962: "Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3346" at "516 Villa Ria Apartments"
    Mar 1962 -- Mary Toutonghi babysat Obama Jr at Ann Dunham (aka Anna Obama) apartment for two months (through May 1962)
    Sum 1962 -- Sighting by John W. Hunt in June-Sept 1962 "I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World's Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann's apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn't in classes, and didn't have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn't right in her."
    Fall 1962 -- Ann Dunman is no longer registered for classes at University of Washington
    Fall 1962 -- Obama SR begins school at Harvard, in Boston, Mass.
    Sept-Dec 1962 -- Ann moves back to Hawaii, with baby Obama, to live with parents
    Spring 1963 -- Ann Dunham resumes school back at  University of Hawaii at Manoa
    Jan 1964 -- Ann Dunham files for divorce in Hawaii Court
    Mar 1964 -- Divorce is granted (Obama SR does not respond to divorce notice in Boston)

[imjimbo]

Obama himself admitted in his book that his dad was a Kenyan- which in itself precludes him from being a natural born citizen-! He must be arrested and imprisoned forthwith for perpetrating a hoax-!!

[real_patriotic_american]

If this were a Republican, the government would enforce the Constitution before the candidate was sworn in. We must DEMAND enforcement of the Constitution. Obama has NOT proven natural born citizenship.

[Star Traveler]

“Obama birth certificate issue not going away”

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Of course it’s not going away. It will still be around when Obama snips the ribbon on the opening of his Presidential Library... LOL...

[real_patriotic_american]

Yeah, but better late than never!

[Smokeyblue]

You are on every single thread supporting Usurper Obeyme around the clock. Does ACORN pay you overtime?

[Star Traveler]

You said — Obama has NOT proven natural born citizenship.

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No President has been required to do so in the past. All they’ve been required to do is to sign legal statements affirming that they are qualified, with the Secretaries of State of the states. That’s what Obama did...

What we’ve got going on here is a loophole in the Constitution, in that it doesn’t specify exactly how one is to verify that they are qualified per its requirements. Obama simply stated that he was and that he met the Constitutional requirements, like all the other candidates in the past did...

It’s going to take state laws requiring specific documentation, or else a candidate cannot be on the ballot — in order to correct this loophole in the Constitution...

[Wardenclyffe]

[Lou Budvis]

That is a strong argument against a Kenyan birth, as is the fact that the short-form COLB seems to indicate that the original was filed Aug 8.