Posted on 07/13/2009 8:48:39 PM PDT by FARS
Obama eligibility case will be heard on the merits !! Please distribute everywhere.
At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter reportedly said the following: 1. There will be a trial. 2. It will be heard on the merits. 3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues. 4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority. 5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC. 6. Judge stated that if Obama isn't Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.
(Excerpt) Read more at antimullah.com ...
Pretty good analysis.....
Just thought it was interesting that the Federal Attorneys just happened to be present to be served with the papers, that Orley had tried various methods to achieve.
Why were they there? Had someone invited them? They tried to stand up for Obama...Why would a judge allow that if they had not filed the proper paper work to represent him?...Wouldn’t they be ruled out of order?
So many questions...so few answers.
Don't you think that would be worth it, or are you still dictated by your skepticism???
I don’t mean to be a party-pooper but in case folks missed federal judge David O. Carter’s bio from a Wikipedia link on the first page of this thread, he’s a Marine, yes. But he’s also a Clinton appointee to the federal bench and one of his most well known rulings was to order the allowance of a homosexual student club in Orange County High Schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Carter
If it means driving Obama out of office, then , yes. I'm out of my mind... but not as bad as the 53 million who elected that fraud in the first place.
But Honduras did not put up with that!!!
Don’t worry. There will be plenty of thime to trash Biden once he’s sworn in. One step at a time. After that... Hillary!
Got this from my cousin down in Florida:
A Few Questions
Some of us have sorta let it slide that “BHO” probably isn’t strictly IAW the law Re US citizenship;
yet his peculiar behaviors and radical policies do raise questions over his true intentIon for us.
But, If you don’t care our President isn’t a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution,
and where were headed under his administration, then delete this and stay content in your cocoon.
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Let’s ask and try to answer some very good & interesting questions.
While most of us have shown little interest in getting in the middle
of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so and believes
the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
What passport did he use when as a younger man he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?
Then too, how did one who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?
And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, we must have answers.
This makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
Conclusion:
When Mr. Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would strongly suggest that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961,
not in Hawaii as he claims. Or, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008... keep in mind, under the name Barry Sotero he also applied for a Fullbight scholarship reserved for non-
U. S. Citizens, and affirmed that he wasn’t an American.
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America , as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
“But he’s also a Clinton appointee to the federal bench...”
To Hillary’s benefit, right?
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008... keep in mind, under the name Barry Sotero he also applied for a Fullbight scholarship reserved for non-
U. S. Citizens, and affirmed that he wasn’t an American.
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Woah, I had not heard that, is there a link for this? Thanks!
Obama, for some strange reason, decided to bow to the king of Saudi. This is demonstrating submission to Suni Islam and the Wahabi movement (they ran the mosque school in Indonesia). The Suni and the Shiite don't like each other. Been going on for centuries. Iran is Shiite. They now know that Obama is their mortal enemy. Obama gives a speech in Paris that encourages Iranian reformers and threatens the Mullahs that run the place. All hell breaks loose and the Mullahs blame Obama. Russia, with long term interests in Iran for warm water port reasons is very nervous about sudden change in Iran. A moderate regime may not sit will in Moscow because it disrupts exixsting loyalties. Israel is concerned about Iran too and would prefer a moderate regime rather than the Mullahs. If Iran stays Mullah, Israel has limited options, likely attack to survive. China gets oil from Iran. Any change causes instability in their supply lines and plays into Russia's hands causing friction between two very unfriendly neighbors.
So, Obama flitting around the world shooting off his mouth and destabilizing the region is problematic for many reasons. He's a wild card in a tinderbox...
The words of the U.N. Ambasador Alan Keyes himself!!!
Its One state One Vote in the House of Representatives. So no matter how many state reps there are, its just one state one vote.
my search pulled this up:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-cacdce/case_no-8:2009cv00082/case_id-435591/
looks real to me.
To Hillary’s benefit, right?
LOL. Buy it is going to be interesting in that court room don’t you think?
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Well I appreciate Polarik but in this case, he is probably not correct. That Birth Certificate is in general circulation in the political community and the McCain people say it is a true and correct certificate of the original record.
I don't want a lot of further argument on this point but if Obama did get kicked out before the end of his term, McCain's status might make a difference. There really isn't much room for legal doubt or argument that McCain doesn't pass either.
It wouldn't make any difference whether he was born in the Zone or not because the Zone was part of Panama and even if McCain had been born in the Zone, he was still subject to Panamanian sovereignty from birth and thus flunks the Natural Born test.
Further, McCain had another problem--it has been assumed by people who just pick the USCA off the shelf that McCain in fact also became a US citizen when he came down the shute--however people assume that because the legislative history is not fully set forth; turns out that the statute on which McCain relies for citizenship was enacted after his birth without a retroactive application clause.
And he was not born in the Canal Zone either.
As for Goldwater, there were apparently lots of people in Mexico who were already arguing that part of Arizona was really part of Mexico; that claim existing prior to statehood might theoretically have been a basis for claim of sovereignty which would have barred Goldwater. I think that would have been a stretch--I think Goldwater probably would have been held eligible if elected; but apparently there was an active argument by the Dems.
I’m posting a comment made to the LAT regarding the pretender’s birth certificate just because it’s easy to understand and Free Republic is the very best memo pad around...
“I’m as surprised as everyone else that Ms. Taitz was able to get Judge Carter to rule to move this case forward. Like many of you, I too wish for this Constitutional question be resolved once and for all and sooner rather than later.
Also, like many of you I have followed this drama since it first started to unfold nearly a year ago. I am a Dem. I am not racist. I want the truth. That’s it. Name calling or fingering the R’s with pushing for the truth about this very serious issue only shows your lack of understanding about the laws that govern our society. I’d ask you to stop but know better. Name calling seems to be what many of you do best.
There are a couple of items posted that are inaccurate in nature, and I’d like to be afforded the opportunity to clear them up.
First, because Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British Crown at the time Barack Jr. was born, Barack Sr.’s children, all of them, became subjects of the British Crown. Barack Jr. has stated this very clearly on his former “Fight the Smears” website which has since been srubbed. If you wish to read what his campaign wrote visit just about any blog covering this story and you can pull it up and read it with your own eyes.
What this means is that Barack Sr’s loyalty lied with the Brits. Ann Stanley Dunham, Barack Jr’s mothers, loyalties lie with the USA. When Barack was born to these two individuals he became a citizen of the US by virtue of his mother’s citizenship AND a subject aka citizen of the British Colony aka Kenya.
This status of citizenship is known as “Dual” citizenship. Note: some argue that if Barack Jr was born in Kenya then his mother was to young to pass on US citizenship, hence, why folks want to see his original vaulted long-form birth certificate.
To complicate matters further, Barack Obama Jr was adopted by an Indonesian citizen named Lolo Soetoro. If he was adopted under the age of 5 he would have automatically become a citizen of Indonesia regardless of a legal adoption. Note - the US gave deference to sovereign territory laws regarding dual citizenship, ie., American and Indonesia or British and Indonesian, etc. Indonesia, at that time, did not recognize dual and only recognized Indonesian citizenship. Therefore, Barack Jr through adoption became an Indonesian citizen. No, he did not ask for this but as a minor child he was under his parents guardianship.
If Barack Obama Jr. went to Indonesia at the age of 6 he would have had to have been formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesian court. The citizenship status, as noted above, would still apply.
Now, we already know that Barack, by birth, was a dual national, British and American, which means he can only be a “native” citizen, that is, if he was born in Hawai’i as he has stated AND if when he returned from Indonesia he applied for and received his status as a naturalized citizen. If he did not apply for naturalization then he is an illegal alien. Few question whether he didn’t apply for naturalization but there is no record of it to date so it cannot be ruled out.
Our Founding Fathers made it clear in Article II of the US Constitution that the President must be NOT may be a “Natural Born Citizen” for a reason. They wanted this leader to have loyalties ONLY to the USA rather than divided loyalties such as the USA and Britian - remember these good men gave blood and treasure during the Revolutionary War to secure freedom from the British Crown. They did not want the leader of this country to be loyal to any other homeland.
The definition of a “Natural Born” citizen is two “natural born” parents of the USA. It’s nothing more complicated than this. For example, someone below stated their family dwelled in Virginia and had roots that went back to the 1600s. If you were to marry another natural born individual and the two of you had a child in the USA or abroad at a military base or embassy your child would be a NBC.
Barack Obama Jr., by birth, never had the citizenship status of a “natural born” child and is therefore ineligible to serve as the President of the USA according to the laws that govern our nation.
Now if you want to direct your hostility to the appropriate parties who looked the other way then please look no further than the DNC, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Diane Feinstein. These are the culprits who signed off on the eligibility documents required by individual state’s Board of Elections. The Party is the sole determiner in vetting their candidates eligibility. No federal agent is required by law to vet said candidates.
Barack Obama Jr is by definition under our laws a “native citizen” AND NOT a “natural born citizen”. This is fact as he has clearly stated himself. Because people are scratching their heads and saying to themselves this guy isn’t eligible doesn’t mean we are racists or any other derogatory name some of you wish to hurl. If we look the other way and dismiss this then why should any citizen obey the law? Furthermore, we should not be setting a precedent for anyone to be ABOVE the law either. My goodness, if Dems look the other way what makes you think the Reps wouldn’t try to pull the same charade. Think Jindal.”
Posted by: d2i | July 14, 2009 at 12:25 PM
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