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Antievolutionists asked to review draft standards in Texas
The National Center for Science Education ^ | October 16, 2008

Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton

Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.

Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."

Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scientism
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To: tpanther
How do you know it never will? People said man would never fly too.

People believed in God too. People make mistakes.

861 posted on 10/21/2008 9:19:16 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande; metmom
Said LeGrande: I will try one more time. Information cannot be transmitted faster than the speed of light. Nothing is faster than the speed of light. Therefore God cannot be omnipotent and omniscient.

Hi there LeGrande! Where ya been? After you left my last question hanging I thought you might have flown up to Alaska again!

Anyway, I think you're being overdogmatic there claiming that nothing is faster then the speed of light. It may be true that scientists have never measured anything faster then the speed of light, but it's not true to say that scientists have measured everything that there is, and therefore you do not know for a fact that nothing is faster then the speed of light. And besides, you already said before that gravity was faster then the speed of light, correct?

Speaking of gravity and light -- by the way everyone else here -- don't hold super high expectations of LeGrande's understanding of science. I mean he tries I am most sure -- but unless he's changed his mind since we last discussed it, he believes that the apparent angular position of the sun is 2.1 degrees behind its actual current position any any instant in time for an observer on earth due to the fact that the earth rotates 2.1 degrees in the 8.2 minutes it takes the light from the sun to reach the earth. Now if the sun were orbiting the earth once every 24 hours - he'd be right on. But the sun's not orbiting the earth. The earth is turning. For some funny reason he won't tell me how far lagged the apparent position of the sun would be for an observer on earth at any instant in time if the sun was 12 light hours away. You see, if LeGrande's understanding of science was correct on this point, then if the sun were 12 light hours away, it'd appear in the east when it was really in the west. And Pluto, which at the farthest of its orbit is 6.8 light hours away, wouldn't even be in the night sky when we looked up and saw it.

-Jesse
862 posted on 10/21/2008 11:02:14 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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To: tpanther
I would ask you to do a historical investigation into how schools performed before God was kicked out

You really think public schools were better at some point? If teaching Christianity in school is your answer, how do you explain that Jewish students perform better on average than Hispanics who are mostly Christian? The answer is culture, not religion.

863 posted on 10/22/2008 2:12:22 AM PDT by Soliton (Faith is an act of love; Love is an act of faith)
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To: LeGrande
Job 26:7 predicted outer space. I know of other amazing prophesies. And then there's a the miracle of Fatima, which BTW, prophesied the rise of a Russian empire back in 1917.
864 posted on 10/22/2008 3:22:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Han Solo -- "It just wont matter? Turn that droid off. Never tell me the odds!")
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To: LeGrande

Footballs fans (or ANY sport) put Christians to SHAME in their fervor!


865 posted on 10/22/2008 4:28:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fichori

I gots goats!


866 posted on 10/22/2008 4:29:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
You keep making determinations about the spiritual world based on........ what?

Uh...

Faith???

867 posted on 10/22/2008 4:31:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
No, I simply don't assume Gods existence as a fact and try to build reality around that assumption. I try to see reality and truth as it is, not as I would like it to be.

In a galaxy far, far away...

(Wait! that's a different story!)


In a landscape far, far away (For a Hoosier boy, 50 years ago - Denver was QUITE foreign), walking back to Lowry Airbase after midnight on a cool late fall night morning, ruminating over the late night TY show (something about miracles at Lourdes), I found myself stating what I'd heard in school: Big Bang, Evolution, etal - I dismissed the show as fiction; a religion advertisement, a sawdust trail appeal.

Looking up at the brilliant pinpoints of light, sparkling in the high plains air, I thought of how they came to be.

Einstien's formula - E=Mc2 floated up from memory...

Knowing that the equation can be turned around to M=E/c2 I thought, "Yeah! All that MASS up there now shining down - it appeared after the tremendous energy burst of the Big Bang! The rest is history."

Almost back at the gate, confident that I'd figgered it out, an almost audible thought(?) came to me...

"Where did the ENERGY come from?"

At that time; I had no answer.

868 posted on 10/22/2008 4:46:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; LeGrande
LeGrande Consensus doesn't make truth.

But it makes elections: the MSM hopes!!


They are in FULL tear down mode on 'Pubs!!

Reminds me of a story...


"In a galaxy far, far... Whoops! There I go again.



NIV Nehemiah 2:10, 19-20
 10   When Sanballat the Horonite and Tobiah the Ammonite official heard about this, they were very much disturbed that someone had come to promote the welfare of the Israelites.
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 19.  But when Sanballat the Horonite, Tobiah the Ammonite official and Geshem the Arab heard about it, they mocked and ridiculed us. "What is this you are doing?" they asked. "Are you rebelling against the king?"
 20.  I answered them by saying, "The God of heaven will give us success. We his servants will start rebuilding, but as for you, you have no share in Jerusalem or any claim or historic right to it."
 
 

NIV Nehemiah 4:1-15
 1.  When Sanballat heard that we were rebuilding the wall, he became angry and was greatly incensed. He ridiculed the Jews,
 2.  and in the presence of his associates and the army of Samaria, he said, "What are those feeble Jews doing? Will they restore their wall? Will they offer sacrifices? Will they finish in a day? Can they bring the stones back to life from those heaps of rubble--burned as they are?"
 3.  Tobiah the Ammonite, who was at his side, said, "What they are building--if even a fox climbed up on it, he would break down their wall of stones!"
 4.  Hear us, O our God, for we are despised. Turn their insults back on their own heads. Give them over as plunder in a land of captivity.
 5.  Do not cover up their guilt or blot out their sins from your sight, for they have thrown insults in the face of  the builders.
 6.  So we rebuilt the wall till all of it reached half its height, for the people worked with all their heart.
 7.  But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the men of Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem's walls had gone ahead and that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry.
 8.  They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it.
 9.  But we prayed to our God and posted a guard day and night to meet this threat.
 10.  Meanwhile, the people in Judah said, "The strength of the laborers is giving out, and there is so much rubble that we cannot rebuild the wall."
 11.  Also our enemies said, "Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and will kill them and put an end to the work."
 12.  Then the Jews who lived near them came and told us ten times over, "Wherever you turn, they will attack us."
 13.  Therefore I stationed some of the people behind the lowest points of the wall at the exposed places, posting them by families, with their swords, spears and bows.
 14.  After I looked things over, I stood up and said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, "Don't be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes."
 15.  When our enemies heard that we were aware of their plot and that God had frustrated it, we all returned to the wall, each to his own work.

869 posted on 10/22/2008 4:53:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
Now that we agree that God doesn't exist I fail to see the disagreement.

I AM sent me...

870 posted on 10/22/2008 4:54:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
M = Mo/Square root of (1-v2)/c2 ? Where the rest mass is Mo and c is the speed of light.
 
 
Watch out!
 
 
Them equations can mess with your mind!

871 posted on 10/22/2008 4:56:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
Unless you can provide evidence of your "computer programmer" I can dismiss your "computer programmer" without need to provide any evidence.

Mutations to a functioning program have never produced a better one.

872 posted on 10/22/2008 4:58:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

Kirk; I believe it is not a good idea to question Q.


873 posted on 10/22/2008 5:00:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tpanther
What’s beyond the “event horizon”?

That's what Houdini wanted to know...


(Will Beyond the Sunset suffice?)

 


874 posted on 10/22/2008 5:18:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Mutations to a functioning program have never produced a better one.

Hmm, that sounds like evidence against an intelligent designer, because mutations in DNA do improve the code.

875 posted on 10/22/2008 6:23:10 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Job 26:7 predicted outer space.

26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

I will admit it, I have no clue as to what that means. But couldn't Job just look at the sky and see outer space?

I know of other amazing prophesies. And then there's a the miracle of Fatima, which BTW, prophesied the rise of a Russian empire back in 1917.

Well lets see what she said. "If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.

That predicts the rise of the Russian Empire? In 1914 Russia had the largest Army and Air force in the world. What nations got annihilated? And when did the Holy Father consecrate Russia to her and the world get a period of peace?

876 posted on 10/22/2008 7:01:32 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: Elsie
In a landscape far, far away (For a Hoosier boy, 50 years ago - Denver was QUITE foreign), walking back to Lowry Airbase after midnight on a cool late fall night morning, ruminating over the late night TY show (something about miracles at Lourdes), I found myself stating what I'd heard in school: Big Bang, Evolution, etal - I dismissed the show as fiction; a religion advertisement, a sawdust trail appeal.

Now you are admitting that you are a male?

877 posted on 10/22/2008 7:05:45 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
“In 1914 Russia had the largest Army and Air force in the world.”

Russia was crushed by the Germans in the Great War [WWI], and in 1917, no one had a clue what was going to happen in Russia [except for Lenin's inner circle]. I, like many others, am amazed by the prophesy linked with a sign seen by thousands of witnesses. [Fatima]

Maybe after the election, I could go on at length about amazing prophesies, such as the Bible being ‘disproven’ in the 1800s when they heckled Peter's prophesy that the earth's surface would one day dissolve from intense heat. Where I'm coming from, I'm not impressed with Genesis. It's when they began to write things down that the Bible's accuracy impresses me. [But I'm not about to cram my views down parents’ throats. Responsible parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit. Education should be school choice all the way.]

FRegards ....

878 posted on 10/22/2008 7:21:31 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (John Paul Jones: I have yet begun to fight! [tahc ot zal ot noissimrep])
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To: metmom; LeGrande; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; hosepipe; tpanther; Fichori; MrB; Elsie

God created a universe 30ish billion lightyears in diameter in one day. The speed of light is as insignificant to God as..... an atom.


879 posted on 10/22/2008 7:58:56 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Proverbs 24:21 My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those given to CHANGE)
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To: DungeonMaster

God created a man, in his prime, probably what we’d call around 20ish, in an instant. I have no problem with Him creating a universe that appeared “mature” as well.


880 posted on 10/22/2008 8:00:59 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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