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DNA pioneer James Watson is blacker than he thought
The Times Online ^ | December 9, 2007

Posted on 12/10/2007 6:57:09 AM PST by Daffynition

JAMES WATSON, the DNA pioneer who claimed Africans are less intelligent than whites, has been found to have 16 times more genes of black origin than the average white European.

An analysis of his genome shows that 16% of his genes are likely to have come from a black ancestor of African descent. By contrast, most people of European descent would have no more than 1%.

The study was made possible when he allowed his genome - the map of all his genes - to be published on the internet in the interests of science.

“This level is what you would expect in someone who had a great-grandparent who was African,” said Kari Stefansson of deCODE Genetics, whose company carried out the analysis. “It was very surprising to get this result for Jim.”

Watson won the Nobel prize, with Francis Crick and Maurice Wilkins, after working out the structure of DNA in 1953. However, he provoked an outcry earlier this year when he suggested black people were genetically less intelligent than whites.

This weekend his critics savoured the wry twist of fate. Sir John Sulston, the Nobel laureate who helped lead the consortium that decoded the human genome, said the discovery was ironic in view of Watson’s opinions on race. “I never did agree with Watson’s remarks,” he said. “We do not understand enough about intelligence to generalise about race.”

The backlash against Watson forced him to step down as chancellor of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, New York state, after 39 years at the helm. He had said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospects for Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really”.

The analysis by deCODE Genetics, an Icelandic company, also shows a further 9% of Watson’s genes are likely to have come from an ancestor of Asian descent. Watson was not available for comment.


TOPICS: Education; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: africa; bellcurve; cuenelsonmunz; genetics; gigo; godsgravesglyphs; haha; helixmakemineadouble; hoax; iq; irony; jameswatson; mattridley; mtdna; signaphinothing
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To: Daffynition

I had the displeasure of attending a talk by Watson while I was at college in 1977. The talk was supposed to be about recombinant DNA, a hot topic at the time. Instead, Watson used all his time to insult by name numerous biologists that he disagreed with on some matter or another. He was remarkably nasty and vicious. Race didn’t enter that particular discussion, just personal spite. What a schmuck!


21 posted on 12/10/2007 9:23:22 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Gay State Conservative
A great grandparent who was black? I can trace all of my great grandparents.I would think he could too.

I found out just two years ago that I have a black great-grandfather.

22 posted on 12/10/2007 9:24:49 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: SunkenCiv

16%? Who cares but him?


23 posted on 12/10/2007 9:30:11 AM PST by Monkey Face (If we are what we eat, I'm cheap, fast and easy.)
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To: Monkey Face

The more samples, the more these kinds of conclusions will be, uh, superseded by new evidence. IOW, no one should get too worked up about any of this.


24 posted on 12/10/2007 9:40:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Since my genealogy is traceable to the Middle East and even Egypt, I suspect my “whiteness” is just a covering. Yah, that’s it! It’s camoflage, called: SKIN!


25 posted on 12/10/2007 9:43:44 AM PST by Monkey Face (If we are what we eat, I'm cheap, fast and easy.)
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To: mnehrling
Selection for IQ possibly genetic, with a correlation of heritable diseases:

Ashkenazim have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group, scoring 12 to 15 points above the European average. They are also strongly represented in fields and occupations requiring high cognitive ability. For instance, European-origin Jews account for 27 percent of U.S. Nobel science prize winners but make up only about 3 percent of the U.S. population.

But the group is also associated with neurological disorders, including Tay-Sachs, Gaucher's, and Niemann-Pick. Tay-Sachs is a fatal inherited disease of the central nervous system. Sufferers lack an enzyme needed to break down fatty substances in the brain and nerve cells. Gauchers and Niemann-Pick are similar, often fatal diseases.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0718_050718_ashkenazim.html

26 posted on 12/10/2007 9:47:42 AM PST by secretagent
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To: Monkey Face

;’) ...unless the “Cairo” you found was actually in Illinois... ;’)


27 posted on 12/10/2007 9:50:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Er...no. This was before there WAS an Illinoise!


28 posted on 12/10/2007 10:06:34 AM PST by Monkey Face (If we are what we eat, I'm cheap, fast and easy.)
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To: Daffynition
JAMES WATSON, the DNA pioneer who claimed Africans are less intelligent than whites, has been found to have 16 times more genes of black origin than the average white European.

WOW Imagine how much smarter he'd be if he was pure!!

(Joking of course)

29 posted on 12/10/2007 10:26:56 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Daffynition

When 1 thinks about it, this is about as equivalent “nanna-nanna-nanna” as when liberals gleefully accuse conservatives of being homosexual - a “lifestyle” they supposedly love.

So do they like that he’s black or hate it?


30 posted on 12/10/2007 10:37:56 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Monkey Face

;’) Also, ask anybody in the area, and find out that the city in Illinois is pronounced “cay roh”. ;’)


31 posted on 12/10/2007 10:39:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: freespirited

I too. “Nurture” (environment) is way overplayed these days. It is the dominant theory these days that every problem (and maybe every good thing, too) is due to:

-the parents methods
-the lack of 1 parent
-the neighbors
-the owner/master
-the previous owner/master
etc, etc, etc

It’s as true in dogs and horses as it is in humans. It’s always in vogue to blame whoever has the dog as the cause of the dog’s “viciousness”, etc. Also if they cower in fear - it’s because of some bad human owner, not the dam nor her genetics nor the rest of genetics. Never mind all the problem children out there - it’s not genetics, but the raising. Or at least what they had to see in the neighborhood around them.

I don’t want to discredit environmental factors altogether, but we have to be serious. These days, it seems 95% of “blame” goes on “the environment” whereas it’s undoubtedly closer to 50/50.


32 posted on 12/10/2007 10:44:48 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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"This level is what you would expect in someone who had a great-grandparent who was African," said Kari Stefansson of deCODE Genetics, whose company carried out the analysis.
We each have eight (if it's less, I don't want to know), which works out to 12.5 per cent. :')
33 posted on 12/10/2007 10:45:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Gay State Conservative

No, they’re saying it’s the EQUIVALENT to having a single black great-grandparent.

Actually, as stated prior, that’s only 12%, not 16%.

It might also be stated to be equivalent to 1 great-grand AND 1 great-great-great-grandparent. (12%+3%=15%)


34 posted on 12/10/2007 10:52:54 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Daffynition

Meaningless piffle.


35 posted on 12/10/2007 10:59:32 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: traditional1

They would have to be careful that his DNA “sample” did not also contain VD.


36 posted on 12/10/2007 11:13:26 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: freespirited; All
White and black populations...how much is genetic and how much environmental...I think 50/50 is as good an estimate as any.

One must consider other factors. Where the smarter blacks able to escape being captured and sent to the US? Were the more highly intelligent more emotionally sensitive or rebellious and thus died or were killed on the boat trip or in slavery? There is a place in the South called Ibo Landing. An entire boat load of Ibo slaves after being taken off the slave ship in chains marched themselves into the sea and drowned rather than be slaves. Many Ibos were killed in Nigeria a few decades ago. They were hated by other Nigerians for being smart and canny traders (like Jews). Also Africa had large, civilized cities and towns. The slaves were often captured in small villages in the Jungle. Did the smarter more ambitious Africans gravitate to the cities? My brother traveled by truck, train, bus and thumb across about 10 African countries. He said it was fascinating to see some areas where there were large numbers of educated, cultures Africans and others were the level of culture and apparent intelligence was very much lower. I have traveled into a number of rural and small town areas of this country and noticed quite a number of less than adequate people who simply could not survive in the complexities of city living--mentally and physically handicapped as some of them obviously were.

37 posted on 12/10/2007 12:58:39 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: mnehrling; Gay State Conservative; All
I have long been interested in racial matters having taken Genetics and Heredity in college many years ago.

My German ancestry mother has a geneology created all the way back to the 11th Century predominantly in East Prussia. On the other hand my blond, ice blue eyed, red headed husband was astonished when his mother told him shortly before she died that he is 1/16th American Indian. Since there was Mongolian Tartar in my ancestry I then realized it made sense that one son has dark hair and swarthy coloring and definitely looked like he could have Indian blood. The other son with medium brown hair and fair skin has high cheekbones and almond eyes. He had an epicanthic fold when he was a baby. He is now married to a woman from Puerto Rico, who knows she has Taino Indian in her ancestry. Both their children look very Latino.

A number of the most vicious Nazis had a grandparent or great grandparent who was Jewish. Regarding the influence of environment, there is the fascinating new science of epigenetics, wherein they are discovering the affect of environmental factors on the expression of genes in such subjects as weight gain, cancer, etc. They have found environmental differences in twin studies with epigenetics.

39 posted on 12/10/2007 1:22:38 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: metesky

I agree. Even if there was a correlation to IQ/race, how would this actually benefit mankind.


40 posted on 12/10/2007 2:19:30 PM PST by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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