Posted on 04/27/2007 10:23:12 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGISTS MEETING:
European Skin Turned Pale Only Recently, Gene Suggests Ann Gibbons
PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA--At the American Association of Physical Anthropologists meeting, held here from 28 to 31 March, a new report on the evolution of a gene for skin color suggested that Europeans acquired pale skin quite recently, perhaps only 6000 to 12,000 years ago
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Proudly Melanin impaired!
Actually, most Slavic peoples are far from pale. Those that are have significant admixture from Balts (see Putin) or Teutonic peoples.
Even further, if we were a true "melting pot," there would be no black people in this country, as they would have been absorbed into the white majority a long time ago.
I'm not saying that it is morally or scientifically correct, but "race" does, indeed, matter in human society, and it always will.
Yup. As my mom would say, "Birds of a feather flock together."
That whole idea has been debunked.
I have heard several “Black Irish” Theories with the Spanish Sailor theory being the most common. Google “Black Irish” and you can see that there are many different explanations, but none have been proven. And some claim there is no proof the Spanish sailors breed with enough Irish to have the affect they claim it did. In any case I don’t know if my clan was in Ireland long enough to intermix with Spanish/Irish. We were Scots-Irish as were many of the people in Northern Ireland (Ulster). My family moved from Scotland to Ireland in the 1500’s and then to America about 1750. Most Scots-Irish did not even interbreed with the pure Irish on the island, keeping the bloodline pure Scot for generations. So even though my GGGG Grandfather was born in Londonderry and his family live in Ireland for about 200 years they were probably pure Scot.
I think that’s politically correct blather.
No one hsa a problem distinguihing between a Japanese and an Indian or a European or Ethiopian.
It can done by suprfifical analysis or by forensics experts working on bones or even physical anthropologists.
I think main similarity is mental and emotional.
It is possible the Celts were not quite as light as the Teutonic people. The Irish Celts may have come from the area of northern Spain. Later Ireland was almost entirely a Niorse colony.
It difficult making genralizations about European ethnic groups due to the tremendous mixing and movement of peoples throughout history.
Look at Italy - Latins, Goths and Vandals from Scandinavia, Spaniards, Moors - all mixed together.
Or England - Celtic Britons, Irish, Picts, FLemings, Anglo-Saxons, Norsemen and French Normans.
Who is Gene?
That is a pretty good stretch, with some wishful thinking, considering you are talking about 4, possibly 5 generations of breeding in a foreign land with foreign people. Considering the size of families centuries ago, it's not just unthinkable, but probable, that someone, or several someones, wandered into the local population. Ireland is not a big place, if you've ever been there. A young man in Ulster could have found farm work in the central plains or work on a harbor in the south. Then again, some lone Spaniard could have wandered into camp in Scotland and these dark traits were introduced prior to the emigration to Ireland.
Since you seem willing to dismiss that your bloodline is pure, then the only other explanation is that you believe that "dark" people actually inhabited places as far north as Scotland. I've never known any dark Scots or Irish except my own family which is descended from the black Irish. Most are fair with blue eyes and either brown, red or blonde hair. Dark skin, brown eyes and black hair would certainly indicate a gene introduced from elsewhere.
lol!
This an argumnet like the one between “lupmers” and “splitters” in biology.
But the simple fact remains that it is possible with a high degree of accuracy to indentify individuals by “race” and that depsite allegations from the geneticists, morphological differences and bicochemical differences do exist beteen the races and they are significnat.
Race And Human Evolution by Milford Wolpoff. Milton explains the PC move to eliminate race as a scientific classification.
Origins Of The British by Professor Stephen Oppenheimer.
Saxons, Vikings And Celts by Brian Sykes.
The British Isles were settled early by people from the Franco-Iberian Ice Age refuge and reinforced by as many as 18 subsequent 'waves' of people from that refuge. They belong to the (Y-chromosome - male) haplogroup R1b as are 90% of the Irish today and as many as 50+% of all Europeans. Haplogroup H (mtDNA, female - Helena) spent the Ice Age in the Baltic refuge and today constitutes about 50% of all female European DNA.
Althought incursions into the British Isles from the north can be found in the DNA today, the R1b DNA overwhelms all.
Brian Sykes looked for the Spanish DNA (Black Irish) in Ireland and Scotland as well as the Picts. He couldn't find traces of either. He did find a small DNA group in England that he attributes to the Roman occupation. Sykes said that there were many different cultures colliding over thousands of years but, the DNA indicates that they were all basically the same people...same DNA.
I just had my DNA completed and it indicates that my male line is haplogroup R1b and my female line is mtDNA V. The haplogroup V was a suprise because it has the lowest distribution of any in Europe, 40% of the Skolt Sa'ami (reindeer herders in Northern Scandinavia) and 12% of Basque today are haplogroup V. BTW, haplogroup V originates from the Franco-Iberian Ice Age refuge too. The haplogroup HV mutated while in the refuge to produce haplogroup V.
Brian Sykes is also the author of the very popular book titled , Seven Daughters Of Eve, which he recently discovered should have been Eight Daughters Of Eve.
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