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'Apocalypto' Is More 'Mad Max' Than Mayan
Fox News ^ | December 01, 2006 | Roger Friedman

Posted on 12/01/2006 3:38:06 AM PST by AmericaUnited

'Apocalypto' Is More 'Mad Max' Than Mayan

With the subtlety of several thousand flying mallets and arrows, here comes Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto," a two hour plus torture-fest so violent that women and children will be headed to the doors faster than you can say "duck" when the film opens on Dec. 8th.

Indeed, 'Apocalypto' is the most violent movie Disney has ever released, with so much blood spurting out of orifices that even Martin Scorsese would blush. If you've ever wondered what it would be like to see heads and hearts removed without anesthesia, then this is the movie for you. "Grey's Anatomy" it is not.

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"Apocalypto" surpasses "The Passion" in every way as a movie about pain, flagellation and wounding. The grotesqueries are almost numbing, and at some point they become laughable. But all the while, you're thinking, what's the point here? If "Apocalypto" was supposed to be about that transitional civilization, where is it? After two hours and several minutes of squirming and covering eyes, you start to think that "Apocalypto" exists just to show violence for itself. The point is lost.

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To: AmericaUnited
Frank, you know that's not the point at all so don't be ridiculous with some phony straw man. Having porn actors play leading characters in a 'Christian movie' is a bit weird.

I was not making a 'straw man.' The email that was posted cited a good deal about the actors. Then, however, he added other "bills of particular" which were non-sequiturs from the initial argument (i.e., that, horrors, Catholic and 'non-Biblical' accretions had been placed in a movie on the Crucifixion!). That is what sent my tinfoil meter on.

If the man had stopped at his, "What are porn stars doing in a movie about Jesus?" I would have had to ponder this. However, considering the rest, I smelled an anti-Gibson and perhaps anti-Catholic "rant."

I don't know why Mr. Gibson chose the cast he did. He alone can answer that and I'd be curious to know. I would be aghast to find he put out a blurb in "Variety, Europe" that read "Porn stars needed for religious movie!" I will presume he did not know the full resumes of these actors since he needed people who would learn Aramaic and Latin in short order and on budget or that he thought that this had no bearing on what he asked them to do in his movie. It was privately funded by his company. And while working, they were acting on HIS film and not another.

161 posted on 12/01/2006 1:57:47 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

>>Yeah, the Mayans were all puppies and kittens.<<

That is a lie!!!

They had squirrels as well.


162 posted on 12/01/2006 1:59:54 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: AmericaUnited

I'm there!!!

I may leave my wife at home though.


163 posted on 12/01/2006 2:00:35 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: AmericaUnited

FWIW, I hated The Passion. I watched it with my pastor and the elders of my church. Everyone was awestruck and teared up. I had to say that I was sort of the kid saying "the emperor has no clothes". It was gratuitous violence, period. I told my wife at the time that the other problem I had was that it never suspended disbelief. I could always "see" everything behind the camera while I watched it.


164 posted on 12/01/2006 2:02:41 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: AmericaUnited; Miss Marple

http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract12.html

Last Trumpet Ministries is the origin of the post with accretions added later. I found it by Googling "Porn stars starring in Mel Gibson's movies." Quite an interesting site, I'd say.

Quod erat demonstrandum...

F


165 posted on 12/01/2006 2:09:30 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: AmericaUnited

Aflopalypto.


166 posted on 12/01/2006 2:12:07 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Thebaddog

Thank you so much for your reply.
We agree.


167 posted on 12/01/2006 2:12:08 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Caipirabob

History is violent. Almost every historical shift has been surrounded by horrible things happening to people. If hollywood were to take your advice then either:

1. In movies about gladiators they should replace the swords with flower bouquets.

or

2. They can't do movies about historical things.

You would prefer that hollywood glorify the past and make it into something it wasn't? Something peachy and kind? The result of that is people wishing they lived in the middle ages, unaware of the fact that it was a time of disease (plague), death (in your thirties or forties if you were lucky enough to survive childhood), and oppression (feudal lords). I'd rather people understand truth, even if it's unpleasant.


168 posted on 12/01/2006 2:15:18 PM PST by newguy357
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To: Frank Sheed
Then, however, he added other "bills of particular"

We 'somewhat' agree on those other things...

169 posted on 12/01/2006 2:36:16 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: newguy357
I'm not condemning this movie specifically. I just saw a promo this morning for "Tourista". "Saw 3" came out earlier this year. I think those movies feed something among people I don't feel comfortable being part of.

I was pretty enthusiastic about this film originally. I just don't feel up to a graphic portrayal of human sacrifice.

Yet I do feel that the voilent trend in these movies are not unlike the bloody slaughter that took place in the Coluseum. Instead of bread they provide popcorn.

I've just never been into "snuff" type movies. Feels entirely wrong, particularly those horror/murder movies.

Then again, I did see "The Passion". That was pretty graphic, but to an entirely different end altogether. Still, it was horrible to sit through.

170 posted on 12/01/2006 3:27:08 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Yes, but the question is why Gibson is only interested in covering the violent, gory aspects of Mayan history. Normal people are not obsessed with violence.

From what I've read about it, he was interested in the collapse of such a seemingly flourishing civiliation. The violence was certainly part of that collapse. I don't see anything sinister about deciding to do it that way.

171 posted on 12/01/2006 3:48:29 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

The mystery of the collapse of the Mayan civilization is a complex matter, with educated speculation involving political conflict, disease, climate cycle, and various other causes. A non-stop blood and gore movie is not made by someone who is genuinely interested in this historical matter, it's made by someone who is interested in blood and gore.


172 posted on 12/01/2006 4:46:22 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: AmericaUnited
I read this entire article before checking FreeRepublic, because at the time I was thinking of posting it myself with comments.

I think this movie review is probably TOTAL CRAP.

I think that the movie is, yes, likely to be VERY violent (that's why it's rated R), in view of the subject matter. Those who have insight into the history of that period in the "New World" and who have some background regarding Archeology (and anthropology) know it was violent times then, violent people, and . . .

. . . I imagine that this is what Gibson wanted to project, and likely did so - the violence, and fighting among each other and tribes, weaken them so that the next blow from the "unexpected" bring their own Apocalypse.

I haven't seen the movie, yet, so I don't know if this is the message and content of the movie or not, but I would guess that is the message and content, and I think this is probably going to be a very interesting movie to watch.

Since I have always enjoyed Mel Gibson's movies, ever since I first saw the movie "THE YEAR OF LIVING DANGEROUSLY" (which was FANTASTIC! rent it, sometime) - I would think and hope that this movie will also be good.

I think the reviewer hates Mel Gibson because many of such who write this kind of movie review crap have agendas, and most of them are liberal commie pinko crap and they *think* Mel Gibson is a "right-winger" *(e.g. Braveheart, The Patriot, Passion etc.), which he is NOT but this ideation of these idiots brings up their hatred of Mel (as in their hatred of Bush) upon which the write up crap like this so that they hope no one will go to his movie.

Well, I'm going. I can't wait until Dec 8, I'm going. I don't know if it will be a great movie, good movie, not so good, not good, horrible, and such - I will find out when I view it.

But knowing Mel Gibson who I admire as an actor and director and artist in general, I think it will likely be a good movie, one that I will even purchase when it goes to DVD.

Go see the movie.

Then judge.

173 posted on 12/01/2006 5:39:43 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin
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To: GovernmentShrinker
A non-stop blood and gore movie is not made by someone who is genuinely interested in this historical matter, it's made by someone who is interested in blood and gore.

I don't agree. If the violence is part of the history, it should be in the film. Why he concentrates on that part, I don't know, but I'm not going to assign motives to him in the absence of fact.

Unless you've actually SEEN the film, how do you know that it is non-stop blood and gore? Yes, that's what the trailer shows, but those are likely very selective scenes, and I'm not sure those are chosen by the director. The trailer may actually be put together by the distributor

174 posted on 12/01/2006 6:08:11 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Northern Yankee
I haven't seen it yet, but I will see it for sure. No biased critic is going to influence me as what I should see or not.

I'm sure Gibson researches his movies before filming them. I trust - all artistic license aside - he's done a good job with this film.

As we know, the Mayan civilization was in decline by the time the Spaniards arrived in 1520. Nevertheless, though there were still Mayans around at the time, their main cities were abandoned. Despite being an advanced civilization, there's no question they were bloody, but not as bloody and ruthless as the Aztecs.

175 posted on 12/01/2006 8:59:26 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: AmericaUnited
Who cares what Friedman thinks...I will see it in the company of a well known anthropologist (and former colleague) who dug at several pyramids in Mexico as well as in Central America. He knows Mayan culture well

The blood ---so what. We butcher millions of little babies every year and scarcely bat an eye.

I'm looking forward to it.
176 posted on 12/02/2006 8:05:56 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: EndWelfareToday

And let's not forget the brutality of our increasingly secular society: infanticide by the thousands, murders and mayhem, homosexuality normalized and honored, ad nauseum.


177 posted on 12/02/2006 8:15:30 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

"Gibson is basically right. The Mayans were incredibly violent."

This is missing the point. The point is that Mel Gibson chooses to be in, or to direct and/or produce movies that in general, with few exceptions, are incredibly violent. His "bent" so to say, is violence and gore. Why? What's going on up in his noggin that he so actively seeks out the portrayal of incredible violence? Mad Max, IMO, is probably really mad to some degree. He has a lot of seething anger it appears, bottled up inside. His upbringing by his Dad I think plays a major role in Mel's mind being messed up. Read about Hutton Gibson and you'll see what I mean.


178 posted on 12/02/2006 8:26:44 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: freedomfiter2

"The thing about Gibson is that he picks subjects for his movies and then decides to portray them realistically.

How refreshing. I am so sick of movies "based on" historic figures and events that are so twisted you can't recognize them."

Oh yeah, really realistic and refreshing. Especially the part where Mel compares his movie to being representative of what Bush is doing in Iraq. How refreshing.


179 posted on 12/02/2006 8:31:49 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: AmericaUnited

I can't wait to see this one. If the LSM hates it, chances are I'll love it.


180 posted on 12/02/2006 8:32:49 PM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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