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9/11 and the ZOT
9-9-06 | ThinkWithJohn

Posted on 09/09/2006 11:46:22 AM PDT by ThinkWithJohn

What is a good response for those who question why the Secret Service did not immediately remove Bush from the classroom on 9/11 when, at the time, it would have been reasonable to consider him a target?


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 911; ascharliesheensaid; lihop; mihop; sionnsar; zot
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To: ThinkWithJohn
Wow. Why would you call me that when I asked a serious question? No one suggested first-graders packed heat. But I don't for a minute think that the terrorists would care one iota about children if they were gunning for Bush. Please be civil.

You've been provided an education by others who have phrased it better than I on this question, but I trust that you understand why a first day member putting up something that could easily be seen as an incitement might generate suspicion.  Whatever the outcome of this thread, hang around a bit, or simply do a search on the word "zot" and examine some of the outrageous things that get posted by trolls doing precisely what some suspect you of.  It's usually pretty offensive, not to say stupid.

As to your specific question

What is a good response for those who question why the Secret Service did not immediately remove Bush from the classroom on 9/11 when, at the time, it would have been reasonable to consider him a target?

At the time there was nothing to indicate any threat at that location.  In fact, there would have been reason to believe that the particular location was as secure as anything they could get to in a reasonable amount of  time.  When a problem occurs the first thing is to gather tactical information unless there is an immediate threat. 

There would have been no way to tell that any theoretical threat might not be outside rather than inside and, in fact, that anyone threatening the President might be counting on the President being immediately moved.

You don't jump until you know that it's not more dangerous to be "there" than where you are now.

Options would have to be assessed.  Would it be better to put him in the car, traveling along limited known roads, or bring in military helicopters, for example.  And where could those come from?  And where would the nearest truly "secure" facility be?

The only known threat was in NY.  He wasn't in NY.  Raise the threat level to "outrageous" and gather intel.  It's real simple.

41 posted on 09/09/2006 12:52:18 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Robert Teesdale
The question is in fact a reasonable one that I haven't heard asked before, and it does bear answering.

It really wasn't meant as a question. It is part of the LIHOP (Let It Happen on Purpose) and MIHOP (Made It Happen on Purpose) lexicon that since Bush wasn't promptly removed upon the planes hitting the towers, it meant that Bush knew it was going to happen and knew he wasn't in danger. The newb was trolling.

42 posted on 09/09/2006 1:03:16 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: ThinkWithJohn
What is a good response

I like 'Bite me'.

43 posted on 09/09/2006 1:05:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Lazamataz; darkwing104

Looks like either a VK or the spork weasel bit John. Alas, it was fatal.


44 posted on 09/09/2006 1:33:58 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: ThinkWithJohn; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; glock rocks; ...
Same loser from yesterday....

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

45 posted on 09/09/2006 1:36:22 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Michael Goldsberry
You called?


46 posted on 09/09/2006 1:38:10 PM PDT by MrEdd (The easiest way to LIE with statistics is to use the average instead of the Median.)
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To: ThinkWithJohn
Click the Pic to see the origin of the Spork Weasel

47 posted on 09/09/2006 1:41:13 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: al baby

Well, I was in the shower...did anything happen?


48 posted on 09/09/2006 1:41:59 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Tagline for rent...inquire within)
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To: darkwing104
IATZ.
49 posted on 09/09/2006 1:49:37 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: ThinkWithJohn
Even though you're a troll, I'll tell you so nobody with half a brain comes by and buys into your logic.

1. First graders are not members of a terrorist organization.

2. For the terrorists to attack the elementary school with aircraft, they would have to know it's location and be able to find and target it from the air at about 400 miles per hour. As far as an attack on the ground, security doctrine requires that you not have the president sitting in the open for long periods, which means you only move him to the motorcade when the motorcade is going somewhere and he will be able to move to the next step as soon as you arrive. That brings u8s to the next reason...

3. Air Force One does not just leap into the air. Safe flights take time. Why move the president from a target that would be impossible to attack (the school) to a target much easier to attack--the tarmac at an Air Force base with the world's best known 747 sitting on it?

50 posted on 09/09/2006 2:02:26 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Help honor those 2,996 people lost on 9/11-- www.dcroe.com/2996)
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To: ThinkWithJohn
What is a good response for those who question why the Secret Service did not immediately remove Bush from the classroom on 9/11 when, at the time, it would have been reasonable to consider him a target?

Why do knuckle-dragging trolls pollute legitimate forums with stupid questions?

Oh I know - to get the

ZOT!!



51 posted on 09/09/2006 2:12:07 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism: what happens when normally intelligent people just give up)
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To: Condor51

LOL. Good answer.


52 posted on 09/09/2006 2:27:24 PM PDT by Bahbah (Goldwasser, Regev and Shalit, we are praying for you...)
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To: ThinkWithJohn

Well, they were going to fall on the ground in a fetal position and cry "We're doomed!" but then their training took over...

They would need to secure his exitand route before running pellmell out of the classroom and going out into the streets driving to AF1?

D'uh. You know, they had to assess the situation. I'm pretty sure these guys have been trained for this sort of stuff.

Gads, what low level trolls we've had lately.


53 posted on 09/09/2006 2:50:30 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: JRios1968

Depends who were you showering with ?


54 posted on 09/09/2006 2:59:04 PM PDT by al baby
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To: ThinkWithJohn

ThinkWithJohnson
55 posted on 09/09/2006 3:06:18 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: ThinkWithJohn

56 posted on 09/09/2006 3:28:39 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: ThinkWithJohn; darkwing104
Viking Prairie Dog of the "Sporkweasel Brigade" sez buh-bye trollboy!

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57 posted on 09/09/2006 3:29:50 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: ThinkWithJohn
You think he was in imminent danger from a bunch of six year olds?
58 posted on 09/09/2006 3:50:20 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ThinkWithJohn

A strange choice of handle, for obvious reasons.


59 posted on 09/09/2006 5:00:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Well put, Silverback.


60 posted on 09/09/2006 5:02:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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