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My thoughts after hearing the Presidents last night.
1 posted on 05/16/2006 9:05:47 AM PDT by jpsb
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Dyslexia strikes again, could you fix the title please?
2 posted on 05/16/2006 9:07:42 AM PDT by jpsb
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well the immigration bill they are pushing would have 100 million immigrants come to the US over the next 20 years.

If thats not a middle class buster, I don't know what is.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 9:08:00 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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Very thoughtful.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 9:09:00 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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You have not seen "super wealthy" until you research the robber barons of the 19th and 20th century. Some actually bailed out the US Treasury.

As for the rest of your socialist drivel - economic opportunity and personal freedom is what drove the middle class to prosper in America. Adding socialist programs only destroys the middle class.
6 posted on 05/16/2006 9:09:32 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Specifically what anti-trust, labor, and trade laws are being ignored?


7 posted on 05/16/2006 9:09:59 AM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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Bump


8 posted on 05/16/2006 9:10:43 AM PDT by A. Pole (GWB believes that "guest worker" program will satisfy economy needs for cheap and plentiful labour.)
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More populist idiocy (populism being the socialism of the truly braindead).

1. The middle class grew FASTER at the turn of the 19th Century (the era when you say "the rich" were all powerful) then they ever did before or since.

2. The real reason the federal income tax was passed was because the Southrons felt that the Yankees had "too much money." How they now regret this!

3. The era of "high payin' factory jobs" only lasted from the end of WWII (when management had no choice but to buy labor peace) until the early 1970s, and was a phenomomenon limited to the upper midwest and northeast. Sorry if you can no longer get a middle class salary just for "showing up" to polish screws!

You obviously learned history from McLiberal textbooks. Read Hayek work on the industrial revolution for a change! If you still feel as you do, there is a place for you in the Democratic Party with other class warriors and folks jealous of others success.

9 posted on 05/16/2006 9:10:48 AM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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Much as I hate to admit it, I think you are on to something.

There's only one reason rich people can logically vote democrat and it's not about compassion for the poor. It's because they've already protected their money and are bent on controlling the rich.

Why some middle class people support the democrats? Because they only think they are in that particular 'class' or are swallowing the propaganda of destructive altruism.

11 posted on 05/16/2006 9:16:13 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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I'm sorry, but I completely diagree with your premise that the rich want to break the middle class.

It is the middle class that makes the wealthy "super rich". Without our buying power, they have no profits. Sounds like sour grapes to me.


12 posted on 05/16/2006 9:17:20 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://ntxsolutions.com)
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Ever wonder why the wealth generating machines of the usa (manufacturing) are being moved overseas?

There's no conspiracy - it's just simple market forces. Some people abroad make things cheaper than seems to be possible in the West. Net result: the West gets to buy neat stuff cheaper from Indians, Koreans and Chinese-based producers rather than buy expensive stuff from feather-bedded/subsidised internal producers.

16 posted on 05/16/2006 9:21:09 AM PDT by agere_contra
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17 posted on 05/16/2006 9:22:17 AM PDT by pabianice
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Uhg. Seems like class-warfare crap.

My spin:

The middle class is being eaten from below as they compete with the lower classes for goods and services paid for by Uncle Sucker.

And since they're paying the taxes to do this, they're just in a race against themselves.

As far as the loss of manufacturing goes, the lower-wage theory is mostly crap. It's very expensive to move resources and products 10,000 miles across the ocean and that negates many wage differences.

No. Manufacturing is being lost because American workers are simply too much trouble.

Workers overseas are willing and often just as able as American workers.

Oh, and they don't destroy your business through organized labor gouging. GM is learning that lesson.
19 posted on 05/16/2006 9:25:03 AM PDT by mc6809e
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I can recall when they did the same thing in England.

Breaking the middle class is essential to making us into a third world country for the gain of socialism.


20 posted on 05/16/2006 9:25:53 AM PDT by Spirited
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Complete hogwash.

Manufacturing jobs are being moved overseas simply because the labor costs are significantly less. Labor unions have stopped representing the long-term interest of workers...to the point that union labor is overpriced and mis-represented.

Illegals are taking jobs at $8/hr with no benefits that were formerly union jobs at $17/hr with full benefits, the unions wish to PROTECT illegal aliens, not prohibit them.

Yet you don't hear the union leadership screaming for greater controls on illegal immigrants, do you?


29 posted on 05/16/2006 9:34:55 AM PDT by kidd
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An awful lot of people have gotten "rich" or at least wealthy depending upon your standards for "rich," via the services industry.

I don't see a link between manufacturing and the middle class other than in another era.


31 posted on 05/16/2006 9:38:07 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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Only in the usa during the 19th and 20th century, did the middle class win that battle.

I'll take this one step further . . . the USA in the 19th and 20th centuries is one of the few cases in human history where something called "the middle class" even existed at all.

34 posted on 05/16/2006 9:40:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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I was wondering where to post this nice little bar graph I found.

Source: The Heritage Foundation, Job Numbers Show a Strong Economic Recovery

35 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Why do the super always fear the middle class?


Superman fears nothing.

My thoughts after hearing the Presidents last night.

You heard more than one?

37 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:22 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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I see. So you thought you'd share them with us. How nice.

If that idea ever comes to you again, I really, really suggest that you check the spelling and grammar in your word before posting it.

That said, you are incorrect in everything you said. Are you tired of being in the middle class? Then fire up your own business and get out of the middle class. You can do that here in the USA (not usa), you know.

Whining that the middle class has been beaten down is the mark of someone who has not examined our society very closely. Everywhere you look, there are middle class folks who have taken up the challenge and have become successful entrepreneurs.

Go thou and do likewise, but do use your spell checker.


38 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:23 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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..Ever wonder why the wealth generating machines of the usa (manufacturing) are being moved overseas?..

Cheap labor and favorable tax laws would be a heck of a lot better guess than some rehash of a Rockafeller/Rothschild/English Monarchy conspiracy.

Wonder no more, the rich want to break the back of the American middle class by taking away the middle classes ability to generate wealth..

By creating a global middle class?

40 posted on 05/16/2006 9:44:38 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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