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11-12-05 | tinfoil hat troll

Posted on 11/12/2005 11:32:57 AM PST by marketz

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Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC

By Elaine Jarvik Deseret Morning News The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor. In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones. In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html. Stuart Johnson, Deseret Morning News"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three (WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says. Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations. "It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes. As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation." Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The official explanation — that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse — can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says. Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' " In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments: • The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" — and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."

• No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.

• WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.

• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."

• Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.

• Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

• Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.

Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding." Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September. Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.

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To: Forte Runningrock
The wtc main support was provided by the central shaft, which in essence was a giant sized pillar (Like a tree trunk, but a little more complicated than that). Each slab also had "walls" which ran all the way to the exterior (in a cross shape from the center like you say. The pillars gave support and stability in between those for the floor above. I think we are on the same page essentually. There is a blueprint around somewhere which shows how the towers were built.

Most of the weight of the floors was supported by the walls. The floor trusses themselves had essentially zero cantilever strength (meaning that if one end was unsupported, it would fall even if the other end was supported), and also meaning that unless the trusses were loaded non-uniformly (and I see no reason to believe that they were especially so) the ends of each truss would bear equal load. There were IIRC three "kinds" of truss. There were trusses that went from the central core to the exterior walls and supported only the weight of the floor in the immediate vicinity. Those trusses would put half their weight on the core and half on the exterior walls. There were trusses that went from the core to the wall and supported other trusses (basically four of these per floor). These would again put half their load on the core and half on the walls. Finally, there were trusses that went from the second group of trusses to the walls. These would put half their load on the wall, and half on the transfer trusses which in turn put half the load on the wall and half on the core. While the core did support a very large portion of the weight (including itself) the exterior walls bore more than half of the floor weight.

121 posted on 11/12/2005 1:59:42 PM PST by supercat (Don't fix blame--FIX THE PROBLEM.)
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To: Delta 21

Where do they come up with this tripe? It's not worth the red ink from my venomous quill to respond to this lackwit.


122 posted on 11/12/2005 2:38:05 PM PST by Alice au Wonderland (Like a fence, character cannot be strengthened by whitewash. - American proverb)
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To: marketz

"The truth is gaining momentum"

You've been hanging out with TLB haven't you?


123 posted on 11/12/2005 2:59:04 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: Calpernia

But in that case, why would it be necessary to hijack the planes?


124 posted on 11/12/2005 4:02:53 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Christopher Lincoln

I don't know. The explosions were always the question marks that were in my head. But I'm satisfied with the explanation that was in post 111.


125 posted on 11/12/2005 4:06:33 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: marketz

126 posted on 11/12/2005 5:18:31 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: darkwing104

Troll PING!


127 posted on 11/12/2005 5:20:40 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Darksheare
You've been hanging out with TLB haven't you?

Is that his latest Bush smear?

128 posted on 11/12/2005 5:23:25 PM PST by ladyinred ("Progressive" = code word for Communist/Nazi)
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To: ladyinred

Dunno, but he likes to say "The TRUTH blah blah blah" often..


129 posted on 11/12/2005 7:38:36 PM PST by Darksheare (I'm not suspicious & I hope it's nutritious but I think this sandwich is made of mime.)
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To: marketz
The truth is gaining momentum


You're RIGHT!!

And this PROVES IT!

130 posted on 11/13/2005 12:51:31 AM PST by Watery Tart (Would you like to buy some documents?)
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To: backhoe
BINGO...we have a winner in the "How Come those Buidings Fell" category.
I was also a welder. Then became a commercial concrete worker.
Now I'm a building inpsector..oh wait...a "damn" building inspector..have to keep those titles straight..
I inspect, among other things, the spray-applied fireproofing for commercial buildings..it's a nasty looking, gray colored, cementitious, (sea-men-ti-shus) material, which looks like elephant snot with hair..
but it will protect the structural steel framing of a building for 3 hours, at 2200 degrees Farenheit...I doubt it will protect a building from a commercial airliner loaded with fuel, though.
What amazed me at the time, was that Congress had to convene a special hearing to find out what I, or backhoe, or any construction worker who has built them, could have explained in 5 minutes, without visual aids.
131 posted on 11/13/2005 4:58:53 AM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob

132 posted on 11/13/2005 5:14:50 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Almost forgot the most important factor...
the concrete floor slabs..
assuming the floors were lightweight concrete..(a contradiction in terms for some, I know) the per cubic foot weight of LW concrete ranges between 114 pcf to 118 pcf..(as opposed to "hardrock" concrete, which is 147 pcf to 152 pcf..)
Thats JUST the concrete..I don't remember the exact square footage of the floors, but I'm sure someone knows..(assume 20,000 sq feet per floor,)
at 4 inches thick, every yard of concrete theoretically yields 81 square feet..a yard of concrete is 27 cubic feet. 116 pcf x 27 = 3,132lbs..so for every 81 square feet, you have 3,000 lbs..theoretically, of course..
now just to make the math easy, lets say 100 square feet per yard..200 units of floor space, 20,000 divided by 100=200..thats 600,000 lbs per floor or 300 tons...PER FLOOR..just the concrete..theoretically, of course.

I had also heard or read somewhere, that these building had the structural support members on the outside of the building..a new type, (in 1963) of construction technique..self-supporting floor slabs, tied to the structural elements..

133 posted on 11/13/2005 5:24:25 AM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: Calpernia
If you are not familiar with the interior mechanical elements..i.e., HVAC, water lines, gas lines, hydronic piping, (heating water), of a commercial building, you can't know what will happen during an intense fire.
Lines already pressurized, will explode when heated.
Methane gas from sanitary waste-lines will explode.
134 posted on 11/13/2005 5:37:06 AM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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To: concretebob

I didn't realize that either. That does make sense too.

Thank you very much for that insight.


136 posted on 11/13/2005 10:03:59 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; backhoe
BTW if you'd like a small idea as to how commercial buildings are constructed, see my website..you can link from my profile page.
Its only a 3 story hospital with a 5 story bed-tower, but the principle is the same..central tower...steel framing tied to columns..massive columns..on massive footings..
this hospital was also designed and built under the new 2000 International Building Code, which incorporates the California Office of Public Safety's requirements for seismic resistance, and FEMA's guidelines for essential facilities..
(yes, the same FEMA which was in NO,LA..)
they do other stuff besides respond to natural disaters..
I have approximately 14 FEMA publications in e-book format loaded on my laptop..all of which address seismic resistance, structural steel welding, and design criteria for moment resisting steel frame buildings,
in addition to the 2000 and 2003 International Building Codes in e-book format.
If you are the curious type, you can go to ecodes.biz and download the FEMA publlcations for free.
I highly reccommend the FEMA publication "State of the Art Report on Welding of Moment Resisting Frames"..heady stuff..
just throwing this out there for the edification of my FReeper FRiends..
I live this stuff (thats not a typo)..I also love this stuff, sometimes, but I do have some horror stories..
I will say this..St Francis Medical Center is the best designed, most well-built medical facility on the East Coast, probably in the country, and it's where I would want to be if the New Madrid fault line ever acts up again.
137 posted on 11/13/2005 9:17:50 PM PST by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. Then we can kill them and not worry about jailtime.)
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