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Whining about Miers.

Posted on 10/08/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by Allen H

Since I’m sure there are still many conservatives out there who are still upset and whining about Bush not nominating who they wanted, I’m wondering. Do you wish Bush had nominated who you wanted, even if it meant them not being confirmed and Bush being forced to pick a milk toast? I don’t think anyone can argue about the fact that the Republican majority in the Senate haven’t exactly acted with a spine or any kind of united strong conservative voice the four years they’ve been a majority. And it seems the larger their majority gets, the more its spine gets watered down.

This is a reality lesson in life. There are two ways to stand strong to your convictions and beliefs and not waiver. You can go about your life, putting your beliefs into practice, never bending, never breaking, never compromising, and whenever anyone asks what you believe, you tell them, politely, civilly, like how Miers has done it. OR, you can do it another way. You can be all those same things above, and you can also be very vocal, very "in your face", very confrontational, outspoken, and be very well known as to what you believe and stand for, so that if you come up for a position like Supreme Court Justice, it’s known immediately which side of the court you will always come down on. The Scalia / Thomas side, or the Ginsburg / Stevens side. The latter is the kind of person that Michael Luddig, Pricilla Owens, Edith Jones, or David Pryor, who I would sure support. Frankly that’s the kind of person I am, and I was hoping they'd of gotten this nomination. I’m not quite "in your face" with liberals unless confronted, but I also will not sit like a wall flower while people say stupid liberal things in the face of reality. I wouldn’t expect to be nominated for the SCOTUS either. Being that way is not bad in any way, but it is a problem. It’s guaranteeing a nasty, long, drawn out, ugly fight that would not even guarantee ALL the Republicans standing with the President. If Bush thought that the Republican majority in the Senate actually had a spine and would stand up to a fight, I think he would have likely put up someone like Juddig or Jones. I think this pick is an indictment on the complete and total lack of conservative will in the Senate majority. Heck, this woman he did pick stands as a solid conservative nominee with all those who have endorsed her, and not all Republicans are backing her. The bottom line is, Harriet Miers WILL be confirmed, and she much more likely than not, will prove to be a conservative, indications show she will be much like Scalia and Thomas. And if you voted for President Bush both times, like I did, or just one time, then you have to trust that he will keep his promise on Judges, like he has so faithfully kept it to this point. There hasn’t been one single Judge on the district, appellate or federal court level that Bush has nominated that hasn’t been a strong unbending conservative. And this is one fact I STILL can’t get around that frustrates me with those opposing Miers. Miers was pivotal in choosing ALL the Judges that Bush has nominated to all the courts the past five years, all of which have proven to be good solid conservatives that all the conservative voters have liked so much. Yet somehow the person who found, supported, and brought all those good conservative judges to the President, somehow isn’t good enough to be a judge herself when she’s accomplished all the things she’s done in her life? That is simply the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Especially after it’s been proven she said now she was worried that perhaps John Roberts might not be conservative enough. And some conservatives are still not supporting her? ARE YOU FRIKKEN KIDDING ME??? THAT is just simply elitism and nothing else.

I was worried initially, because I desperately wanted an Owens, or Luiddig, or someone just like them, someone that was nose to the wind, finger pointing and shaking to the left, well known vocal hard conservative, BUT, if the person put up instead of them is just like that, with the same conservative ideological beliefs, just isn’t a well known confrontational person who will unite all liberals and democrats and milk-toast weak RHINO Republicans against them, then I will choose the Miers over the Owens or Luddig EVERY TIME, because frankly I have NO FAITH in the Republican Senate majority, and while I am more like the judicial Luddig’s and Jones’s, I’ve still seen nothing that yet shows she’s any less conservative than they are. When she gave money to algore, he was pro-life and hadn’t taken the pink liberal without reason pill yet, and since then she has been nothing but a conservative loyalist on all levels, professionally, personally, and religiously. She voted for Reagan in ‘84, she voted for the first Bush in ‘88. Once she became a registered Republican she stayed Republican and voted and worked and donated that way even when clinton was President, even in ‘91 and ’92 when the democrats controlled both Houses of Congress. Not one person who really knows her has come out against her nomination. Frum is the only one I’ve heard of who has worked with her and doesn’t support her, and that was years ago and it’s not as though Frum doesn’t have his own agenda. None of Bush’s judges has disappointed. They’ve all been proven to be very conservative constructionist judges, and there is no reason to believe Miers will be any different. The arguments is stale and smacks of elitism at this point. I prefer someone who hasn’t been indoctrinated by the snobbery of Yale and Harvard liberalism, and has lived most all of her life in very conservative Texas. Even when Texas was majority Democrat, it was conservative and had nothing in common with the radical New England and left coast liberal bases of operation. Instead of being a judge she’s been actually arguing law from the conservative perspective, not sitting on high on a bench disconnected from reality. What is so wrong with that? She will be confirmed, and more and more, I believe she will prove herself to be a dedicated defender of the Constitution and what it REALLY says, not what stevens and souter and ginsburg wish or think it says. Her votes I believe will consistently fall right with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas and John Roberts, and when that time comes, I hope all here who eviscerated her just because she’s not some elitist insider snob, or a speak first think second hothead that would inflame all democrats and RINOs in the Senate, will remember just how vacuous the opposition to her really was, and just how wrong it has proven to be. Given the past 20 years of her life, I can’t see any rational way she will betray all she has proven to stand for the past two decades. And if you voted for and supported W. Bush last year and in 2000, then for Pete’s sake, show just a little faith and trust in the guy and believe that he would have gotten to know this woman the past 10 years he’s had a close relationship with her. Have a little faith. With faith as small as a mustard seed, a mountain can be moved. I choose to have faith and pray that Harriet Miers will be the conservative strict-constructionist Justice that this nation desperately needs right now, and pray that she will have the strength and wisdom to adjudicate in that way, and continue to display and enforce the beliefs and convictions on the bench, that she has so strongly lived in her life.


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To: Cboldt

IT's risky to you and others because you and others don't know her. Bush knows her, and there is not one single judge he's put up that has NOT been strongly conservative. the charge of cronyism is one the msm has made all week long and it's a liberal talking point. It is surely not one that any conservative should be proud to throw around. Better a Bush "crony" on the court, than a kerry or gore "crony". You don't know her. No one here knows her. Bush does, and he is the one that put up all the judges that people her wish got the nomination, and Miers is the one that was primarily responsible for picking them to go to Bush. Think about that.


241 posted on 10/08/2005 1:38:38 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Allen H

When you start with the word whine, you demonstrate you aren't interested in discussion, just starting a food fight.


242 posted on 10/08/2005 1:38:51 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Allen H
Although I don't agree with you on HM, I tip my hat to your rapid typing ability.
243 posted on 10/08/2005 1:39:50 PM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: Allen H

She argued that the ABA should be *neutral*, which does not mean she is a pro-life activist. American Life League, the most solid pro-life organization which is peaceful and rational, opposes Miers, which suggests she has not donated to or been involved with them. Feminists for Life is also unsure what to think of her. Justice Hecht said she is *PERSONALLY pro-life*, a stance she shares with Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, and most pro-abortion activists.

What more have I done that is pro-life? I have worked at Crisis Pregnancy Centers to give women other options, I have prayed every Saturday outside an abortion mill since I was 16, written countless pro-life papers for liberal professors of ethics and philosophy, did graduate work at Harvard to increase my opportunities to effect our culture and laws, and worked on the campaigns of pro-life politicians. Harriet Miers may feel as strongly as I do, and I most certainly don't look down my nose at her or at anyone else (arrogance is not pro-life), but I have no way of knowing that.
You mention that "rational" people do nothing besides contribute money. I guess people that helped Jews, Slavs, and Catholics escape the Holocaust were irrational.

I fail to see how a pro-lifer or a conservative could oppose the overturning of Roe v. Wade. The decision removed the abortion issue from the democratic process, a classic example of centralized government. Before Roe, there were several hundred US abortions per year, now there are approximately 1.3 million. People have more abortions since it has been recognized as a "Constitutional right," because many Americans conflate law and morality.
If we cannot legislate upon moral issues such as the right to exist, I hope you have joined an advocacy group to "decriminalize" rape and homicide. If "people want to make that horrible, wicked decision," "it is their God-given right." There is no use in making such acts of violence illegal, I suppose.
I admire your anti-terrorism work, but wouldn't you say (according to your own principles) Al-Qaeda has a God-given right to decide to kill innocent civilians? If killing is immoral but we have free will, isn't anti-terrorism law a legislation of morality?

As for Roe v. Wade's precedent, the late Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas have consistently dissented from decisions upholding the case's precedent. While Rehnquist was alive, he believed Roe was wrongly decided and should be overturned. Scalia and Thomas continue to express this sentiment.


244 posted on 10/08/2005 1:40:56 PM PDT by Im4LifeandLiberty ("Because after all, a person's a person no matter how small")
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To: Allen H; hosepipe
YOu seem like another liberal troll from DU.

....says the fool who's been here for all of a month, to the person who's been here for years.

245 posted on 10/08/2005 1:41:27 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Lazamataz
Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.

Nice.

246 posted on 10/08/2005 1:46:13 PM PDT by DC Bound
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To: MCPO Airdale

You know what's ironic about your statment? The same Senate that voted to take the interogation rights and limits away from the President and the military last week is the same group of weak senators that you want to decide if a well known polarizing conservative Judge gets confirmed to the Court. Don't you see a problem with that?

And I'm not going to argue Miers pro-life stance with you. It speaks for itself. There is NO rational argument that she's not strongly pro-life. Evidence, first hand accounts, and her personal and professional life the past 30 years prove that she is. I refuse to argue something that is well established and well confirmed by the passage of time.

This is what drives me nuts! I agree 110% with what you said! The rulings out of the Supreme Court are OUTRAGEOUS! The government allowing people homes to be taken for profit. The court sanctioned murder of Terri Schiavo and anyone else disabled that can't speak for themselves. Not allowing States the STATES RIGHT to execute a violent vicious murderer just because they're 17. On and on and on. But as of yet, there is no evidence that has come to light that would clearly indicate that Miers does not believe the same as you and I do. NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT IDEA. And until there is somcething concrete that can hold water, I REFUSE to speak against something on the basis of supposition and fortune telling, and add to the stupidly created rift in the conservative movement! That is all this has done. Conservatives with reasonable concernes have been unreasonable in their voicing of them and made a split in the conservative movement, giving the liberals just what they want. It has done nothing but hurt conservativism. And in a few months when Miers has proven to have become another strict constructionist conservative Christian Justice, all this hand wringing and accusing going on will be shown to be really foolish with no good having come from it.


247 posted on 10/08/2005 1:47:10 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: ez

Let me save you the trouble. They have no friggin clue.


248 posted on 10/08/2005 1:48:14 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Nephi

See, this is why you're not worth conversing with because you are all snappy comebacks, and no real content or foundation in fact and reality. EZ clearly asked for one of the anti-Miers posters to spell out some facts and really get to the meat of things, and your response was a stupid smart comment. I'm able to respond to what people say in detailed fashion, and you are STILL unable to do that. You're just a supply of smart comments and glib comebacks. Not someone involved in or even equipped for a real debate.


249 posted on 10/08/2005 1:51:05 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Allen H
IT's risky to you and others because you and others don't know her.

Again you miss my point. It's not JUST about her or her predicted performance. Plenty dismay has been expressed as "missed opportunity."

And I hear that the GOP thinks the criticism is bullshiite.

250 posted on 10/08/2005 1:53:05 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Allen H; Lazamataz
Crony? You sound like the mainstream media. So because she's loyal to Bush, she's just a crony with no mind of her own? Tell me, have you accomplished have as much professionally as she has, and would as many people come forward to defend her character as have defended hers?

OMG ... you say this about LAZ? Long-time readers of FR can only shake their heads.

Based on his postings here, I firmly believe Laz is more qualified to be the nominee, and personally I would be happy if it were so (unless it was Brown ... sorry Laz).

251 posted on 10/08/2005 1:53:11 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Mulch

I know that a lot of conservatives are scared because of what happened in the past, but George W. is not his father.
He may have been born back East, but he was raised in Midland Texas. Midland is not the center of Liberalism in Texas. It's in the heart of Conservative Texas. Even the Dems in Texas in the past were conservative. Why do you think Texas is now a Republican State? It's because the Republican Party, despite a few left over Rockefeller Libs, is conservative.

Let not your heart be troubled, she's a conservative.


252 posted on 10/08/2005 1:53:25 PM PDT by Yankereb
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To: Allen H

Yeah, you're a master debater, alright.


253 posted on 10/08/2005 1:56:36 PM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: Nephi

Yet another comment birthed out of ignorance. I don't love Bush on conditionally, and I don't agree with all he's done. Like I said for the umpteenth time, I wish the military was on the border, and I would like major budget cuts to all but the military and DOHS. I'd also like to call back all unpaid and forgiven foreign debts from all nations who owed them. Those are not exactly things that Bush has done or will do. But when it comes to this, the evidence at hand indicates that Miers will be a strong conservative Justice, and if you didn't post smart comments and snappy jibes, you wouldn't be posting anything at all. If you are typical of the anti-Miers crowd, then I am right in my assertion that all the people against Miers are secular conservatives at best, who maybe aren't even Republicans but trolls, and are opposing Bush's nomination for Miers when they didn't even vote for Bush either time. Who did you vote for I am curious? Can you honestly name all the Republican's you have voted for for President last year back to when you were 18, and not have one democrat on the list? If not, your opinion on this is really not valid, as you have a side agenda. Stirring the pot among conservatives, which all good libs do for a living.


254 posted on 10/08/2005 1:56:46 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Allen H

Sorry, I called you a lemming.


255 posted on 10/08/2005 1:59:56 PM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: Generic_Login_1787
Being a judge does not make you more qulified to be a Justice. If that was the case the founders would have said that ONLY already seated judges can be on the SCOTUS, and they deliberately did NOT do that. And the thing that all the anti-Miers people keep missing is that she's not an unknown to him. HE KNOWS HER AND HAS KNOWN HER FOR YEARS, and he has not put up ONE SINGLE JUDGE that has NOT ben VERY conservative and a strict constructionist, including Roberts, and as time will show, Miers. This is all totally overlooked. Suiter and O'conner and Kennedy were judges at the time and respected and supposedly conservative, how well did that work? I'd rather have someone I know for sure that is a conservative who isn't a Judge, than someone I don't know from Adam, who I'm told is a good conservative that IS judge, but I don't know that for sure myself.

Sorry, but I prefer to make decisions based on what I know for fact from my own experience, not what I'm told from other people. And that's what Bush has done. He made a decision based on what he KNOWS for a fact, not what someone else told him.

256 posted on 10/08/2005 2:01:35 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: kas2591

Harry Reid won't be supporting her like this once it gets into committee. Did you see all the quotes from lib democrats that supported Roberts, and then did the best they could to eviscerate him in committee and in the media? Democrat support before the committee starts hearings doesn't bug me a bit. Because I know for a fact that they will all be trying to destroy her in committee and making her to be a zealot in the media, just like they did with Roberts, and if she gets 20 democrat votes on the Senate, she'll be lucky. They know good and well she's a conservative, just like the lib groups know it, which is why EVERY LIB GROUP in the country is opposed to her.


257 posted on 10/08/2005 2:04:24 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Allen H
You don't know her. No one here knows her. Bush does

In other words, trust Bush.

No thank you.

258 posted on 10/08/2005 2:05:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Nephi

Almost all of your posts are insulting and frankly, insults are the bulk of the content of what you have to say. I am starting to think you're genetically incapable of actually refuting someones points one at a time, without being personally insulting to cover your lack of facts to disagree with.


259 posted on 10/08/2005 2:05:50 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Cboldt
Thank you. :) I have the same reservations that those opposing Miers do, but I don't believe they will bet he case, and I just refuse to give into the bad that might be, over the good that looks very well like it may be. I was not initally happy with the pick of Miers, and I would have preferred Luddig or Owens personally. If Miers turns out to be a Suiterite, there will be plenty of time to rip her and Bush publically, but until then, I choose to give Bush the little bit of trust and the time to prove me either right or wrong in my vote for him last November. Being in a stew for three months over something that no one knows what the outcome will be just seems pointless. I'd rather be prayerful and positive and pray for the best and not expect the worst.

On the Bush-bot angle, I also believe in strict immigration reform, and I recycle all the garbage I can, can't stand smoking, and would support a 50% to 100% big tobacco and alcahol tax. Am I still a goose stepping Bush-bot???

260 posted on 10/08/2005 2:12:32 PM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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