Breaking: Possible SAM Attack Against US Plane (right now this is completely unverified)

LGF ^ | 09/17/05 | staff

[Perdogg]

saturday, september 17, 2005

I’ve just received a credible tip from an LGF reader that an America West flight out of New York was fired upon by a surface to air missile yesterday, and that the pilot and passengers witnessed it and are now being questioned by the FAA and FBI.

That’s the extent of the information I currently have, and please note: right now this is completely unverified.

[endthematrix]

And when it backfires, and the people are clamoring for advice from the government on what to do...we are instructed to purchase plastic tarps and duct tape.

No way do the powers-that-be want the public in an outrage or panic.

[Cindy]

Smiling, no, The Threat Matrix on FreeRepublic.com.

[endthematrix]

"Do you think the gov't would tell us the truth?"

Many in the FAA and NTSB has come forward and wrote a book about the lies. I can't recall the title, but some quite interesting (STRANGE) spin has been occurring.

[dandelion]

JUST as I was about to go to bed... I come across THIS.

{{{SIGH}}}

I guess I ought to go get some coffee or sumpin' I suppose...

[softwarecreator]

Ah.  Okay, I've seen that thread and should have figured it out ... guess it's time to stop freeping and get some obviously needed sleep!  =)

Thanks and have a good night.

[softwarecreator]

JUST as I was about to go to bed... I come across THIS.

Don't feel bad, same thing happened to me and it's a few hours later here in the midwest ... definitely time to turn off the PC.

[El Gato]

Yesterday, if during the day, my kids were in school and the school would have gone into lock down (procedural)

Article says the flight took off at 6:05 PM, but playback of traffic from JFK shows it taking off about 6:40. Of course that would be about par for the course if scheduled TO was 6:05. The playback does show one rather odd, two segment, turn to fly toward Philedelphia, which it skirted to the north.

[Cindy]

That's ok.
We're on thread 30 now here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1475392/posts

Have a good evening softwarecreator.
Rest well.

[Cindy]

Thank you SunkenCiv for that url.
AQ has so many threats going; sometimes we need a memory jogger.
Here's your url:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000863.php

February 11, 2004

"Al Qaeda Under Pressure for New Strike - Spy Chief"

SNIPPET: "Their recent threats haven't panned out, and Al-Qaeda is feeling the heat. From Reuters:

Al Qaeda is under pressure to strike another "high-value" Western target and may be looking at attacking chemical plants or shooting down planes with surface-to-air missiles, a top German intelligence official said Tuesday."

[endthematrix]

IIRC I was thinking of Mary Schiavo's book "Flying Blind, Flying Safe" which was published in 1997...pre 9/11 concern.

[Cindy]

Related thread/link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486688/posts


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Note: The folloiwing post is an exact quote:

To: milford421; Cindy; Paleo Conservative
According to Passur, the flight took off about 15 seconds before 6:50PM on Runway 22R, and flew straight out over Jamaica Bay, over the Rockaways, and across the Atlantic Ocean to just south of Sandy Hook, NJ. Typical flight path for a plane going southwest out of JFK.

According to PASSUR, the aircraft that took off directly before AWE 17 was Delta flight 2029, a 757 bound for Orlando. Emirates flight 9900, a 747, followed AWE 17, bound for Gothenberg, Sweden.

According to PASSUR, AWE 17 flew within a few miles of but far below a Lear Jet 60 at (37,000 feet) and a Sun Country 737 getting ready to land at JFK (at 13,000 feet) while climbing over the Atlantic Ocean at 4000 feet.

According to Google Earth, there's marshland at the end of 22L before a departing flight would reach the Rockaway Peninsula. The Rockaways are about 4-5 blocks wide at the point the flight overflew it at around 2000 feet and climbing.

LiveATC.net's archives don't have the JFK tower or Approach/Departure tapes from the 15th. I think the JFK scanner link has been down for a while.

The sun is setting around 7:00 in New York these days. The LiveATC.net radar shows that there were some heavy showers over parts of South Jersey, upstate New York, and east of Long Island at 7PM, but nothing near JFK.
38 posted on 09/18/2005 12:09:52 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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[El Gato]

Anyone else see something I'm missing?

Check about 6:40, that shows an American West flight, with last two digits "17" departing to the south, making a two segment turn to the west, and then skirting to the north of Philadelphia.

[de Buillion]

"What goes up must come down. If a SAM or RPG was launched, it had to come down somewhere. "

Some reports mentioned JFK- how is the local geography there- ocean waters?

[cgk]

Malkin ping!

Michelle's info is in post #75. This is a continuing "story" and UNVERIFIED at this time. More info can be found
Here: There was an "Incident" at JFK/America West Flight 17,
and Possible SAM attack against US Plane.

[de Buillion]

"If it is a MANPAD somebody will find the remains of the missile--or would have heard the explosion of the missile as it hits the ground after the solid rocket fuel on the missile runs out."

Could you please explain to me the reasons that this manpad must come down on land? You might want to look at a map of JFK airport first.

[conservative in nyc]

See Post 111. According to PASSUR, AWE 17 took off from Runway 22R at 6:49:45 - Like all planes taking off from that runway, it flew over the marshy waters of Jamaica Bay. Then, the 4-5 block wide Rockaway Peninsula (now at 2000 feet, about 3 miles from the end of the runway). Then, a 15 mile or so ride across the Atlantic Ocean to just south of Sandy Hook, New Jersey (now at about 9000 feet, continuing its climb). Plane then turns a bit more to the west.

The jog to the northwest before reaching Philadelphia may have been due to weather. There were some storms in South Jersey and Southeast Pennsylvania at around 7:00PM on 9/15.

[Capn TrVth]

I'll be shocked if it was anything larger than a SMAW.
I think it was mechanical. (hope)

[texasbluebell]

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[malia]

bttt

[conservative in nyc]

Whatever happened likely occurred over or near New Jersey. According to PASSUR, the next two westbound departures (one American, one JetBlue) ended up flying in circles over the Atlantic for 10 minutes or so.

Could have been due to weather, or something sinister. Unlikely to be air traffic, since it thinned out over the area. We don't know.