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Interim Report on Deep Impact
Thunderbolts.info ^ | 7/19/2005

Posted on 07/21/2005 1:28:18 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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Credit: NASA/JPL. Image manipulation: Carl Smith

This is a sequence of images from the hi-res Deep Impact flyby camera. They show jets emanating
from two centers. The color substitution images on the right show more clearly the relative brilliance
distribution in the grey-scale images. They show the presence of two bright centers. The presence of
more than one crater was predicted by the electrical model of comets.

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Jul 19, 2005
Interim Report on Deep Impact

Though many details remain to be determined, enough data is now in hand to offer a preliminary assessment of our predictions on Deep Impact.

In our Picture of the Day posted prior to Deep Impact we registered the most detailed predictions of any group in anticipation of the event. For their part, NASA investigators made no predictions. Nor can we find in NASA's subsequent comments any acknowledgement that an independent group had successfully anticipated the greatest surprises of the encounter.

In view of this situation, we consider it essential that the remaining data analysis by NASA not be permitted to lag so far behind the event that no one will notice what has occurred. Nor will it be helpful if the data find their way into the public domain as isolated fragments of technical minutiae.

Therefore, to maintain the integrity of the most fundamental questions we offer the following status report.

Missing Water. Proponents of the electric model predicted that Deep Impact would reveal insufficient water to support the popular ideas about comets. Now we know the ejected material was largely - perhaps entirely - dust and vaporized rock.

Subsurface Composition. We said that the "impact/electrical discharge will not reveal 'primordial dirty ice,' but the same composition as the surface." It is now known that the presence of volatiles in the coma immediately after impact did not change, with the exception of changes relating to charge exchange between the coma and the solar wind (see below).

High-Energy Explosion. Wallace Thornhill claimed that the energy of the "impact" would be greater than expected from impact studies, because of electrical discharge. When the predicted event occurred, it left every NASA investigator stunned.

Advance Flash. Thornhill predicted that a visible discharge between the nucleus and impactor would be likely prior to the impactor's contact with the surface. At least two flashes are now known to have occurred, though (for the obvious reasons) no one on NASA's investigative team had anticipated this.

Explosion Temperatures. Though we?ve found nothing from NASA relating to the temperatures of the explosion, we said that the discharge would be "hotter than can be explained by mechanical impact. If temperature measurements are made with sufficient resolution, they will be much higher than expected from impact heating". On this one we are confident as ever.

Explosion Radiance. Within minutes of the impact, the coma of Tempel 1 was overtaken by a blast of light so great that it saturated the camera's detectors. NASA spokesmen called this "one of the great surprises" of Deep Impact. The radiance was not expected under the model in use. (See "Fine Dust" below).

Speed of Transport. Electrical theorists suggest that NASA carefully review the rate at which ejecta filled the coma. Could kinetic effects (the effects of physical impact alone) have generated such speeds? Acceleration of negatively charged material is a predictable effect of electric discharge.

System Failure. Our prediction was: "Electrical stress may short out the electronics on board the impactor before impact." The system did indeed fail a few seconds before impact, and data should be reviewed to look for indications of electrical breakdown.

Multiple craters. We said, "If the energy is distributed over several flashes, more than one crater on the comet nucleus could result - in addition to any impact crater". Unfortunately, NASA did not anticipate the volume of dust removed by the explosion, which may have made it impossible for even the best enhancement technology to see though the ejecta. However, by tracing rays back to their source we noted the appearance of two ejecta centers immediately after the impact.

Crater Size. We said, "The impact/electrical discharge will be into rock, not loosely consolidated ice and dust. The impact crater will be smaller than expected". The occlusion of the impact site by the unexpected dust cloud leaves this question of crater size unanswered. (Some NASA investigators have suggested that the impact did not reach a deep level, but so far the pronouncements on the subject are quite contradictory because they're trying to explain things they did not expect).

X-rays. We suggested that X-rays would accompany discharges to the projectile, "exceeding any reasonable model for X-ray production through the mechanics of impact. The intensity curve will be that of a lightning bolt (sudden onset, exponential decline) and may well include more than one peak". So far there has been no indication that any instrument based near or on Earth had the temporal or spatial resolution to decide this issue.

Creation of Water in the Coma. The electric model suggests that negatively charged oxygen from silicates and other metallic oxides on the nucleus (a negatively charged object) reacts electrically with the positively charged hydrogen ions of the solar wind to create OH. Thus, readings of the relative abundance of OH should drop in the immediate wake of impact, while in the days after the impact abundances of OH should rise. Though this is inconceivable under the standard model, preliminary data released does suggest this pattern.

X-rays from Coma. Thornhill contends that the electrical transaction between the coma and the solar wind creates the surprising X-rays emanating from cometary comas. Therefore, we should expect that in the days following the impact the x-ray curve will tend to follow that of OH production.

Electrostatic Cleaning and Deposition. In our Pictures of the Day we have noted evidence of both electrostatic cleaning and electrostatic implantation in space. We are confident that both processes occur on the nucleus of Tempel 1. Some of the material cleaned from the surface electrostatically will be accelerated into space. Other portions of the material, now positively charged, will be electrostatically drawn to the surface.

Collimated Jets. While the electric theorists identify Tempel 1 as a low voltage comet, enhanced pictures should show clearly visible jets retaining their coherence over distances that cannot be maintained by neutral gases in the vacuum of space. All evidence provided to this point confirms the expectation.

Fine Dust. Both the volume of dust and its extraordinarily fine texture have created mysteries for cometologists. The ejected dust appears to be as fine as talcum powder. In no sense was this expected. But it is characteristic of "cathode sputtering", a process used industrially to create super-fine deposits or coatings from cathode materials.

Surface Geology. We not only predicted the sharply defined relief, but the specific features. "The model predicts a sculpted surface, distinguished by sharply defined craters, valleys, mesas, and ridges - the opposite of the softened relief expected of a sublimating 'dirty snowball'."

Surface Arcing. We had seen very small white spots on photographs of comet Wild 2, and interpreted them as electrical arcs in the form of coronal discharges. The highest resolution photographs of Tempel 1, taken by the impactor, show numerous featureless patches of white-out, most located where the electrical hypothesis would put them - on the rims of craters and on the wall of cliffs rising above flat valley floors. This single feature, we believe, provides the "smoking guns" we have waited for. Since their initial suggestion that the patches could be highly reflective spots on the surface, we've heard no further comment on the subject. The signature of electric arcing should be clearly evident in the full stream of data now being analyzed.

See also:

Jul 05, 2005  Deep Impact - First Impressions

 


  EXECUTIVE EDITORS:
David Talbott, Wallace Thornhill          MANAGING EDITOR: Amy Acheson
  CONTRIBUTING EDITORS: Mel Acheson, Michael Armstrong, Dwardu Cardona, Ev Cochrane,
  Walter Radtke, C.J. Ransom, Don Scott, Rens van der Sluijs, Ian Tresman
  WEBMASTER: Michael Armstrong

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; Weather; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: comettempel1; electricuniverse; nasa; plasma; zaq

1 posted on 07/21/2005 1:28:19 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: SunkenCiv

!GNIP


2 posted on 07/21/2005 1:29:02 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: RightWhale; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer

Man! Kudos to Thornhill!

3 posted on 07/21/2005 1:38:13 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Swordmaker

If "Deep Impact" was where they shot the probe into the asteroid, then my personal opinion is, it is one of the biggest wastes of money that we have seen in this millenium


4 posted on 07/21/2005 1:43:31 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
...it is one of the biggest wastes of money that we have seen in this millenium

It may turn out to be the best expenditure of money that NASA has ever done... it may turn cosmology on its ear.

5 posted on 07/21/2005 1:48:09 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Swordmaker

THUNDERBOLTS PICTURE OF THE DAY
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Jul 15, 2005
The Missing Water of Comet Tempel 1

We have long suggested that, after Deep Impact, scientists would be scratching their heads over the lack of subsurface water - the last hope of the dirty snowball theory. Early results confirm this prediction.

Early in the morning of July 3, we registered our predictions for Deep Impact (July 4), when a widely heralded "impactor" would strike the nucleus of Comet Tempel 1. We presented these predictions based on the electric comet hypothesis as interpreted by Wallace Thornhill and other members of the Thunderbolts crew. To the best of our knowledge, we set forth the most specific and detailed scientific predictions offered by any group in anticipation of the event.

We stated our purpose explicitly?

"With the imminent arrival of the 'Deep Impact' spacecraft at the comet Tempel 1, it is time to test competing theories on the nature of comets. The predictions and lines of reasoning offered here will set the stage for future analysis of the 'electric comet' model".

It has now been almost two weeks since we posted these predictions, and the Deep Impact investigative team has made it clear that it could be many weeks before an analysis of certain crucial details will be released. Yet information already disclosed provides a good sense as to how well the electric comet model has performed against the "dirty snowball" model of popular theory.

In this and following Pictures of the Day we shall begin an analysis of specific results.

We stated: "An abundance of water on or below the surface of the nucleus (the underlying assumption of the 'dirty snowball' hypothesis) is unlikely". Though this was never a deal killer for the electric model, the absence of sufficient water in a comet is a deal killer for the dirty snowball model. We wrote: "In fact none of the electrical theorists will be surprised if the impactor exposes a subsurface with little or no ices".

In a July 8 press release, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics summarized the early findings with the headline, "Deep Impact Was a Dust-up, Not a Gusher".

Smithsonian astronomers had monitored the impact using the ground-based Submillimeter Array (SMA) in Hawaii and NASA's orbiting Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite (SWAS). Early reports showed "only weak emission from water vapor and a host of other gases that were expected to erupt from the impact site. The most conspicuous feature of the blast was brightening due to sunlight scattered by the ejected dust". This was not what they had expected by any means.

"It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet."

Astronomer Charlie Qi (CfA) also expressed surprise at these results. "Theories about the volatile layers below the surface of short-period comets are going to have to be revised," Qi said. Was he raising a question about the underlying model here? No, he was only "deepening" the contradictions. The impact result, he said, "indicates that these effects [presence of water] could be much deeper."

So the crisis for standard comet theory grows. Proponents of the dirty snowball model had already been forced into an untenable position by prior discoveries of dry comet surfaces. So they began to speculate about water buried beneath the surfaces - a speculation that only increased the difficulty for models having to explain why observed ices in the Jovian and Saturnian system do not produce explosive jets while comets at the same distances do.

Only recently, some astronomers abandoned the phrase "dirty snowballs" and began calling comets "icy dirtballs". The dirt, they said, was on the surface, and the water was underneath. Strangely, this shift in theory was never accompanied by any attempt to reckon with the problems inherent in placing an insulating layer around ice which, even when directly exposed to the Sun (as on the planet Mars at Tempel's distance from the Sun) does not behave the way their models required.

It was hoped that Deep Impact would show that sufficient water existed beneath the surface. By excavating material from the comet's interior, they could rescue the theory. But it didn't happen. "SWAS operators were puzzled by the lack of increased water vapor from Tempel 1". In fact there was no change in measured water after the impact. Another observation from the Odin telescope in Sweden found that the total amount of water appeared to decrease after the impact, probably because of the injection of quantities of dry dust.

But still, hope remained. Qi speculated that the comet might become more active over the following days and weeks. "We're still hoping for a big outgassing from the new active area created by Deep Impact", he said. But the electrical theorists predict this will not happen. As we wrote in our July 3 predictions, "Most comets should be homogeneous - their interiors will have the same composition as their surfaces". So far, the data returned have consistently fulfilled this prediction. Periodic outbursts are common, but emissions suggesting hidden water or other volatiles beneath the surface have not occurred.

It needs to be understood, however, that in the electric model changes in coma composition are certain to occur in the wake of substantial ejections. This is guaranteed by the electrical transaction between the coma and the solar wind. And here too the data released so far strongly support the electric model, as we shall observe in our next Picture of the Day.

See also:
Jul 05, 2005  Deep Impact - First Impressions
Jul 06, 2005  Reconsidering Comet Wild 2
Jul 07, 2005  The Meaning of Deep Impact
Jul 08, 2005  Deep Impact? - The Smoking Guns?

 


  EXECUTIVE EDITORS:
David Talbott, Wallace Thornhill          MANAGING EDITOR: Amy Acheson
  CONTRIBUTING EDITORS: Mel Acheson, Michael Armstrong, Dwardu Cardona, Ev Cochrane,
  Walter Radtke, C.J. Ransom, Don Scott, Rens van der Sluijs, Ian Tresman
  WEBMASTER: Michael Armstrong

Copyright 2005: thunderbolts.info


6 posted on 07/21/2005 2:08:55 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: Southack; RightWhale

check outReply #6


7 posted on 07/21/2005 2:10:37 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: ml/nj

self ping


8 posted on 07/21/2005 2:49:57 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Well, you gave us your opinion, but you did not give us the reason for that opinion.

Please explain yourself....Bob


9 posted on 07/21/2005 3:08:25 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Swordmaker

:'D


10 posted on 07/21/2005 6:26:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: Swordmaker

Fabulous pictures. Thanks


11 posted on 07/21/2005 7:53:51 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (This Little Light of Mine...)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks, I was hoping this would be an analysis thread. Looks like we will have to wait a bit longer. There is a lot of data and it will take time.


12 posted on 07/21/2005 9:38:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: Swordmaker

TVF's two online papers, before and after D.I.

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/DeepImpact.asp

"But recent physical, chemical, and photometric evidence suggests that perhaps comets are more like snowy dirtballs than dirty snowballs."

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/Deep%20Impact%20Findings%201.asp

"We should also not forget that 'split comets' (which are actually escaping satellites in the EPH’s Satellite Model) have almost exactly escape speed from the nucleus at all solar distances, rather than speeds that would be driven by internal or solar energy sources, as the standard model expects. In the graph, the log of comet split velocities (V) is plotted vs. solar distance (R) on a log scale. C = comet internal energy prediction; S = solar energy prediction; E = EPH satellite model prediction; shaded area is one sigma observational upper and lower bounds to actual data."


13 posted on 07/21/2005 9:48:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


14 posted on 07/24/2005 4:14:36 PM PDT by vharlow (http://www.vventures.net)
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To: vharlow

Interesting blog.


15 posted on 07/24/2005 10:33:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: Swordmaker

http://www.nineplanets.org/hypo.html#planetx

In 1977-1984 Charles Kowal performed a new systematic search for undiscovered bodies in the solar system, using Palomar Observatory's 48-inch Schmidt telescope. In October 1987 he found the asteroid 1977 UB, later named Chiron, moving at mean distance 13.7 a.u., period 50.7 years, eccentricity 0.3786, inclination 6.923 deg, diameter about 50 km. During his search, Kowal also found 5 comets and 15 asteroids, including Chiron, the most distant asteroid known when it was discovered. Kowal also recovered 4 lost comets and one lost asteroid. Kowal did not find a tenth planet, and concluded that there was no unknown planet brighter than 20th magnitude within 3 degrees of the ecliptic.

Chiron was first announced as a "tenth planet", but was immediately designated as an asteroid. But Kowal suspected it may be very comet-like, and later it has even developed a short cometary tail! In 1995 Chiron was also classified as a comet - it is certainly the largest comet we know about.

speaking of TransNeptunian planets...

Astronomers Find a New Planet in Solar System
The New York Times | 7/29/05 | KENNETH CHANG
Posted on 07/29/2005 3:35:26 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453462/posts

NASA Funded Scientists Discover Tenth Planet
NASA.gov | 7.29.05 | Jane Platt
Posted on 07/29/2005 6:21:26 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453550/posts

Distant object found orbiting Sun (Planet X aka 'Nibiru' Found by American Astronomers)
BBC | July 29, 2005 | Dr David Whitehouse
Posted on 07/29/2005 10:11:24 PM PDT by ThoreauHD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453628/posts

Astronomers claim discovery of 10th planet in solar system
Outlook | July 30,2005 | AFP
Posted on 07/30/2005 12:09:55 AM PDT by Srirangan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453658/posts

New Planet Discovered Beyond Pluto
the Proctoscope | 07/30/2005 | donprocto
Posted on 07/30/2005 4:26:35 AM PDT by donprocto
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1453688/posts

Planet or Not, Pluto Now Has Far-Out Rival
New York Times | July 30, 2005 | KENNETH CHANG and DENNIS OVERBYE
Posted on 07/30/2005 4:50:22 AM PDT by infocats
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453694/posts


16 posted on 08/01/2005 10:42:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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Deep Impact tells a tale of the powder-coated comet
NASA via Spaceflight Now | 7/8/2005 | NASA NEWS RELEASE
Posted on 07/10/2005 7:46:54 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1440126/posts

I won't bother posting the link to the FR topic on Hoaxland's take on "Deep Impact".

Here's a link to the second TVF "findings" online paper:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/Deep%20Impact%20Findings%202.asp


17 posted on 08/01/2005 10:50:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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