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1 posted on 07/21/2005 1:28:19 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 07/21/2005 1:29:02 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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If "Deep Impact" was where they shot the probe into the asteroid, then my personal opinion is, it is one of the biggest wastes of money that we have seen in this millenium


4 posted on 07/21/2005 1:43:31 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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Jul 15, 2005
The Missing Water of Comet Tempel 1

We have long suggested that, after Deep Impact, scientists would be scratching their heads over the lack of subsurface water - the last hope of the dirty snowball theory. Early results confirm this prediction.

Early in the morning of July 3, we registered our predictions for Deep Impact (July 4), when a widely heralded "impactor" would strike the nucleus of Comet Tempel 1. We presented these predictions based on the electric comet hypothesis as interpreted by Wallace Thornhill and other members of the Thunderbolts crew. To the best of our knowledge, we set forth the most specific and detailed scientific predictions offered by any group in anticipation of the event.

We stated our purpose explicitly?

"With the imminent arrival of the 'Deep Impact' spacecraft at the comet Tempel 1, it is time to test competing theories on the nature of comets. The predictions and lines of reasoning offered here will set the stage for future analysis of the 'electric comet' model".

It has now been almost two weeks since we posted these predictions, and the Deep Impact investigative team has made it clear that it could be many weeks before an analysis of certain crucial details will be released. Yet information already disclosed provides a good sense as to how well the electric comet model has performed against the "dirty snowball" model of popular theory.

In this and following Pictures of the Day we shall begin an analysis of specific results.

We stated: "An abundance of water on or below the surface of the nucleus (the underlying assumption of the 'dirty snowball' hypothesis) is unlikely". Though this was never a deal killer for the electric model, the absence of sufficient water in a comet is a deal killer for the dirty snowball model. We wrote: "In fact none of the electrical theorists will be surprised if the impactor exposes a subsurface with little or no ices".

In a July 8 press release, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics summarized the early findings with the headline, "Deep Impact Was a Dust-up, Not a Gusher".

Smithsonian astronomers had monitored the impact using the ground-based Submillimeter Array (SMA) in Hawaii and NASA's orbiting Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite (SWAS). Early reports showed "only weak emission from water vapor and a host of other gases that were expected to erupt from the impact site. The most conspicuous feature of the blast was brightening due to sunlight scattered by the ejected dust". This was not what they had expected by any means.

"It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet."

Astronomer Charlie Qi (CfA) also expressed surprise at these results. "Theories about the volatile layers below the surface of short-period comets are going to have to be revised," Qi said. Was he raising a question about the underlying model here? No, he was only "deepening" the contradictions. The impact result, he said, "indicates that these effects [presence of water] could be much deeper."

So the crisis for standard comet theory grows. Proponents of the dirty snowball model had already been forced into an untenable position by prior discoveries of dry comet surfaces. So they began to speculate about water buried beneath the surfaces - a speculation that only increased the difficulty for models having to explain why observed ices in the Jovian and Saturnian system do not produce explosive jets while comets at the same distances do.

Only recently, some astronomers abandoned the phrase "dirty snowballs" and began calling comets "icy dirtballs". The dirt, they said, was on the surface, and the water was underneath. Strangely, this shift in theory was never accompanied by any attempt to reckon with the problems inherent in placing an insulating layer around ice which, even when directly exposed to the Sun (as on the planet Mars at Tempel's distance from the Sun) does not behave the way their models required.

It was hoped that Deep Impact would show that sufficient water existed beneath the surface. By excavating material from the comet's interior, they could rescue the theory. But it didn't happen. "SWAS operators were puzzled by the lack of increased water vapor from Tempel 1". In fact there was no change in measured water after the impact. Another observation from the Odin telescope in Sweden found that the total amount of water appeared to decrease after the impact, probably because of the injection of quantities of dry dust.

But still, hope remained. Qi speculated that the comet might become more active over the following days and weeks. "We're still hoping for a big outgassing from the new active area created by Deep Impact", he said. But the electrical theorists predict this will not happen. As we wrote in our July 3 predictions, "Most comets should be homogeneous - their interiors will have the same composition as their surfaces". So far, the data returned have consistently fulfilled this prediction. Periodic outbursts are common, but emissions suggesting hidden water or other volatiles beneath the surface have not occurred.

It needs to be understood, however, that in the electric model changes in coma composition are certain to occur in the wake of substantial ejections. This is guaranteed by the electrical transaction between the coma and the solar wind. And here too the data released so far strongly support the electric model, as we shall observe in our next Picture of the Day.

See also:
Jul 05, 2005  Deep Impact - First Impressions
Jul 06, 2005  Reconsidering Comet Wild 2
Jul 07, 2005  The Meaning of Deep Impact
Jul 08, 2005  Deep Impact? - The Smoking Guns?

 


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6 posted on 07/21/2005 2:08:55 AM PDT by Swordmaker (tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: ml/nj

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8 posted on 07/21/2005 2:49:57 AM PDT by ml/nj
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10 posted on 07/21/2005 6:26:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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TVF's two online papers, before and after D.I.

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/DeepImpact.asp

"But recent physical, chemical, and photometric evidence suggests that perhaps comets are more like snowy dirtballs than dirty snowballs."

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/Deep%20Impact%20Findings%201.asp

"We should also not forget that 'split comets' (which are actually escaping satellites in the EPH’s Satellite Model) have almost exactly escape speed from the nucleus at all solar distances, rather than speeds that would be driven by internal or solar energy sources, as the standard model expects. In the graph, the log of comet split velocities (V) is plotted vs. solar distance (R) on a log scale. C = comet internal energy prediction; S = solar energy prediction; E = EPH satellite model prediction; shaded area is one sigma observational upper and lower bounds to actual data."


13 posted on 07/21/2005 9:48:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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http://www.nineplanets.org/hypo.html#planetx

In 1977-1984 Charles Kowal performed a new systematic search for undiscovered bodies in the solar system, using Palomar Observatory's 48-inch Schmidt telescope. In October 1987 he found the asteroid 1977 UB, later named Chiron, moving at mean distance 13.7 a.u., period 50.7 years, eccentricity 0.3786, inclination 6.923 deg, diameter about 50 km. During his search, Kowal also found 5 comets and 15 asteroids, including Chiron, the most distant asteroid known when it was discovered. Kowal also recovered 4 lost comets and one lost asteroid. Kowal did not find a tenth planet, and concluded that there was no unknown planet brighter than 20th magnitude within 3 degrees of the ecliptic.

Chiron was first announced as a "tenth planet", but was immediately designated as an asteroid. But Kowal suspected it may be very comet-like, and later it has even developed a short cometary tail! In 1995 Chiron was also classified as a comet - it is certainly the largest comet we know about.

speaking of TransNeptunian planets...

Astronomers Find a New Planet in Solar System
The New York Times | 7/29/05 | KENNETH CHANG
Posted on 07/29/2005 3:35:26 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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NASA Funded Scientists Discover Tenth Planet
NASA.gov | 7.29.05 | Jane Platt
Posted on 07/29/2005 6:21:26 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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Distant object found orbiting Sun (Planet X aka 'Nibiru' Found by American Astronomers)
BBC | July 29, 2005 | Dr David Whitehouse
Posted on 07/29/2005 10:11:24 PM PDT by ThoreauHD
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Astronomers claim discovery of 10th planet in solar system
Outlook | July 30,2005 | AFP
Posted on 07/30/2005 12:09:55 AM PDT by Srirangan
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New Planet Discovered Beyond Pluto
the Proctoscope | 07/30/2005 | donprocto
Posted on 07/30/2005 4:26:35 AM PDT by donprocto
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1453688/posts

Planet or Not, Pluto Now Has Far-Out Rival
New York Times | July 30, 2005 | KENNETH CHANG and DENNIS OVERBYE
Posted on 07/30/2005 4:50:22 AM PDT by infocats
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453694/posts


16 posted on 08/01/2005 10:42:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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