The (Christian) Addiction To War

Think & Let Think ^ | 2019 | Taylor Mertins

[CondoleezzaProtege]

There have always been those who respond to war throughout the church differently.

- Pacifists
- Those who believe in Just War Theory
- Others who believe in the “Blank Check” model—without questioning

War is complicated, ugly, and addictive. It reveals our sinfulness in a way that few controversies can.

God was bold enough to send his son to die in order to save us, not by storming the Temple with swords and shields, not by overthrowing the Roman Empire, but with a slow and non-violent march to the top of a hill with a cross on his back.

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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: addiction; belongsinreligion; jesus; justwar; mullahloversonfr; multiplenicks; paul; peace; randspam; war

[CondoleezzaProtege]

War isn't unbiblical, but it being the first instinct is. "We do not wage war as the world does." - The Apostle Paul

[Nateman]

Civilization is addicted to war. Why smear Christians?

[No.6]

>Civilization is addicted to war. Why smear Christians?

Because the left hates it when we fight back. 1400 years of muhammedans raping, killing, and enslaving don’t cause them to blink, but the left has spent inordinate energy training Christendom to take any and all abuse, and the idea that we might get up and do something before everyone is shoved into gulags or burkas appalls them.

In similar vein, that leftist vatican leadership is expected to attempt to redefine just war as “Orange Man Bad” spurs the timing of this piece.

[Dilbert San Diego]

This article starts off by talking about Hiroshima.

He is trying to show that bombing of Hiroshima is an example of how we are addicted to war?

He talks about pacifism as being the ideal.

He seems all over the place as he’s talking about the proper Christian view of war...

[rollo tomasi]

Careful, the heavily entitled keyboard warriors without “skin in the game” are going to call you an isolationist rather than strategically prudent.

Just war theories by Augustine and Aquinas should be held in high regard to strategic planners and decision makers yet are mostly ignored by those backed with fiat currency.

The US spent around $2.3 trillion in 20 years replacing the Taliban with the Taliban. That campaign just made George Washington spin faster in his grave. State actors and their sycophants use ad hominems like "isolationist" to irrationally replace tact, foresight, and most importantly, wisdom to either make idiotic decisions or get "reimbursed" down the road due to those stupid idiotic decisions (Again with fiat currency in tow).

[Paal Gulli]

"Civilization is addicted to war...."

Quite possibly the truest statement ever posted in this forum.

There is evidence of wars before civilization but large-scale conficts (obviously) weren't possible before the advent of civilizations. The inescapable conclusion is that if we're still having them at this late date, we either want to have them or we're unwilling to endure the consequences of not having them.

In either case, Plato was spot on. "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

[af_vet_1981]

Just war theories by Augustine and Aquinas should be held in high regard to strategic planners and decision makers ...

Why ?
Were either of them bishops of Rome ?
Were more than a score of popes wrong to call for crusades ?

[rollo tomasi]

Well the First Crusade seemed like a just cause but due the the horrible execution and greed, the result was the eventual formation of the Ottoman Empire/Islam strengthened furthered because the Sultans came together (Never mind the pogroms against Jewish communities in the Rhineland before the Crusaders got to the Holy Land) while Christianity forgot the fundamental mission.

Also the Old Covenant details God smiting Israel for engaging in warfare, especially during the time of the Assyrians due to God using the Assyrians to judge the Northern part of Israel for committing spiritual adultery. It took some pious/humble individuals who used prayer, not weapons to appeal to God and rectify that issue.

[rollo tomasi]

Post 8.

Also Pope Urban II used Augustinians Just War theory (Augustine heavily intellectually influenced “bishops of Rome too, come on, lol) to call for war but ignored the Spirit and a lot of planning aspects. The result was an orgy of violence, especially saying all the Crusaders sins were forgiven no matter what actions transpired. The first victims of the Pope's hubris, the Jewish settlements in the Rhineland who were violently wipe-out.

[TheThirdRuffian]

Because, in between various antisemitic posts, she concern trolls.

Sometimes we get a two-fer: concern trolling antisemitism.

[chajin]

Pacifism pales in comparison to the immediacy of armed military conflict, but it is the closest example we have to what it means to live like Jesus.

Well, maybe.

Or maybe not.

Jesus, while on the earth, waged war when two situations arose. The obvious one is overturning the money changers' tables. Here, He made His own whip, meaning this was not an impulsive act but thought through, just as we would build weapons and ordnance in preparation for a conflict we know we will have to engage in.

The other situation was when he was engaged in combat with demonic forces. Not only did He conquer them with spiritual force, but he gave this power to His disciples, who were expected to use it.

Where are demonic forces found today? There are two evident forms of society that are ruled by demons: Marxist/communist, and Muslim. (80 years ago we also had Hitler and Hirohito.)

As Christians, we are not fighting against flesh and blood, but the demonic forces use flesh and blood as human shields, so that to conquer the demonic we must also conquer the physical as well. If we were Jesus we could do this as Luther wrote, "One little word shall fell him," but since we are not Jesus, we have to use physical as well as spiritual power.

Sorry, running out of time...

[af_vet_1981]

The Crusades were a series of military campaigns launched by the papacy between 1095 and 1291 against Muslim rulers for the recovery and defence of the Holy Land, as part of a wider crusading movement. The First Crusade was proclaimed by Pope Urban II at the Council of Clermont in November 1095—a call to arms for Christians to reconquer Jerusalem from the Muslims, with promises of spiritual reward.

The first victims of the Pope's hubris, the Jewish settlements in the Rhineland who were violently wipe-out.

Is Urban II guilty of the murder of those Jews ? Is he a type of the religious who are turned away in Matthew 25 ?

[af_vet_1981]

Yet another post designed to incapacitate Christian nations (only one of consequence remains standing and it is failing) to defend themselves against islamic jihad.

There are three main aims in the posted article, and them some myopia in its assertions:
1. American Christians are the problem.
2. The Catholic Church is the problem.
3. Islam is no longer allowed to be fought by Christians (only other Muslims get to do that), but rather must be accepted with submission and love.
4. The author argues for pacifism, especially with respect to WW2, which is absurd.
5. Loving one's neighbor and hating God's enemies is thought to be an Essene point of view from Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. and makes sense if God's enemies are converted to God's friends.

We, as American Christians, have a problem with War. Historically, the early church and Christians did not engage in war – they believed their convictions in following Christ’s commands prevented them from waging violence against others. And, frankly, they were being persecuted and killed at such a rate that they didn’t have time to think about fighting in wars, nor were militaries interested in having Christians fight for them. You know, because of the whole “praying for their enemies” thing.

But then Emperor Constantine came onto the scene, following Jesus Christ turned into Christendom, and everything changed. With Christianity as the state sanctioned religion, Rome could tell its citizens to fight, and they did.

Exodus 15:
1] Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
[2] The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
[3] The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
[4] Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
[5] The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
[6] Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

[af_vet_1981]

Yet another post designed to incapacitate Christian nations (only one of consequence remains standing and it is failing) will to defend themselves against islamic jihad.

There are three main aims in the posted article, and them some myopia in its assertions:
1. American Christians are the problem.
2. The Catholic Church is the problem.
3. Islam is no longer allowed to be fought by Christians (only other Muslims get to do that), but rather must be accepted with submission and love.
4. The author argues for pacifism, especially with respect to WW2, which is absurd.
5. Loving one's neighbor and hating God's enemies is thought to be an Essene point of view from Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. and makes sense if God's enemies are converted to God's friends.

We, as American Christians, have a problem with War. Historically, the early church and Christians did not engage in war – they believed their convictions in following Christ’s commands prevented them from waging violence against others. And, frankly, they were being persecuted and killed at such a rate that they didn’t have time to think about fighting in wars, nor were militaries interested in having Christians fight for them. You know, because of the whole “praying for their enemies” thing.

But then Emperor Constantine came onto the scene, following Jesus Christ turned into Christendom, and everything changed. With Christianity as the state sanctioned religion, Rome could tell its citizens to fight, and they did.

Exodus 15:
1] Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
[2] The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
[3] The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
[4] Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
[5] The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
[6] Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

[sphinx]

Prior to agricultural settlements, the foundations of “civilization,” war was mostly a matter of raid and ambush. But it was chronic.

The archaeological record reflects this beautifully. An agricultural settlement — fixed places, cleared and maintained fields, permanent homes, food storage, etc. — appears. The next thing that appears is fortification, because every agriculural settlement became a target for the raiders. Create something of value and you have to defend it from the robbers.

Fixed settlements grew larger. With larger populations came a greater division of labor and the emergence of specialized crafts. It also led to the development of long distance trade networks, and war escalated along with all this.

Homo homini lupus.

[af_vet_1981]

Good points, and I think the main thrust of these types of posts is to normalize islam and sap the will of Christians to oppose it.

The Open Doors World Watch List 2026 reports that nearly 388 million Christians face high levels of persecution and violence globally, with recent reports highlighting a continuous rise in violent incidents.

[Migraine]

Prevention is the second most thankless job in history. That is because when you prevent something from happening, there’s always somebody who says that wasn’t going to happen anyway.

Oh, the Muslims wouldn’t have used Vienna, Malta and Spain as springboards to take over Europe.

Oh, slavery would have ended anyway. Without some civil war.

Oh, Hitler wouldn’t have done the things he wrote about in Mein Kampf.

Oh, the US would not have lost a quarter of a million soldiers invading Japan.

Oh, there was no need to fight proxy wars during the Cold War. The Soviets weren’t really trying to take over the world.

Oh, Saddam Hussein wasn’t really trying to create an Islamofascist Caliphate.

Oh, the Taliban weren’t really going to harbor anymore US hating terrorists.

Oh, the Iranians weren’t really going to try to nuke Israel.

Here’s the deal. There is evil in the world. It is sponsored by the devil himself. It is relentless. It cannot be placated. America stands athwart The evil designs of evil men. That will probably not be true someday. Then it’s Katy bar the door. But for now We use our God given gifts To do some good. And sometimes it’s ugly. But somebody has to do it.

[af_vet_1981]

Loving one's neighbor and hating God's enemies is thought to be an Essene point of view from Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. and makes sense if God's enemies are converted to God's friends.

Thus we are to pray for the conversion of not only our enemy, but God's enemies, and not usurp what belongs to God, namely vengeance, as it is written in Deuteronomy 32:

[35] To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
[36] For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
[37] And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
[38] Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
[39] See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. [40] For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
[41] If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
[42] I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
[43] Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

[1ScrappyArmyMom]

This dude is a freaking, typical anti Christian twat.
He can rot in hell.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

The mohammedan book is all about war and they have been attacking everyone around them ever since the bandit pedophile rapist sodomites rode out of the wastelands but it is Christians who are addicted to war.

Yeah, whatever.