Posted on 08/13/2024 4:11:02 AM PDT by FRinCanada2
Just curious FReeper poll…. Are you
Pre-Trib? Post-Trib? Pre-Mil? Ah-Mil? Post-Mil?
If you don’t understand the question you may not have studied eschatology at all.
No “wrong answers” or debate just polling.
Traditional Roman Catholicism informs my approach. On the balance between despair and presumption I lean towards presumption.
pre-trib
Revelation 3:10: Jesus promises to keep believers from the “hour of trial” that is coming upon the whole world
We will be provided for during this time, but God makes the rain and sun fall on all.
Pre-millennial and Pre-trib, but not dogmatic on the latter. More importantly, I believe Jesus will return to earth to rule as King from Jerusalem in a thousand year reign, the Millennial Kingdom. I also believe his return is imminent, but of course know that I could be wrong in that assessment.
“No man knows the time, or timing.”
Agree.
Having spent time in the military, the way I say it is, this question is above my pay grade. I’m just a vineyard worker, waiting for the trumpet to sound and the Lord to descend in clouds of glory.
Although, I’m Pre-trib, I do realize that there are very good reasons to believe in a mid-trib or even a pre-wrath rapture. If the Church does go through some of the tribulation, we will be persecuted, but like the early Church, we will see miracles and God’s protection. The Apostles for the most part were heavily persecuted and yet most were not martyred until late in their lives, having been miraculously protected until their appointed time to die.
"Even so, Lord Jesus, come quickly"
Google History of the Rapture.....
The idea of the rapture is a relatively recent development in Christian thought, originating in the 1830s. It’s not found in historic Christianity, but the idea of premillennialism, which involves Christ rapturing believers before a great tribulation, began to re-emerge in the late 1500s and early 1600s. During this time, biblical interpretation flourished and sub-issues like the rapture began to develop. For example, in 1687, Peter Jurieu wrote Approaching Deliverance of the Church, which taught that Christ would come to rapture the saints in the air before the battle of Armageddon.
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The rapture theory really took off in the early 19th century with the work of John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher and founder of the Plymouth Brethren movement. Darby is considered the father of modern dispensationalism and futurism, and he promoted the idea of dividing the Bible’s teaching into separate “dispensations”. His ideas quickly gained popularity among end-times-oriented Christians, especially after being incorporated into study Bibles like the 1909 Scofield Reference Bible. The rapture also became a central theme in popular books, such as Hal Lindsey’s 1970 best-seller The Late Great Planet Earth.
The idea of the rapture continued to gain popularity throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, especially among evangelical and fundamentalist Christians. It also became prominent in popular culture in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, in part due to millennialist fervor as the year 2000 approached. During the Cold War, prophecies about the rapture also became more common as the threat of nuclear war grew.
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Mid-Trib/Pre-Mil
I agree
No event in human history has yet met the description of the “Trib”, if that’s what you want to call it; the Bible calls it the “time of trouble” (Daniel 12:1) or “great tribulation” (Matthew 24:21). Also, during the millennium, several prophecies say that there will be a temple in Jerusalem with the Messiah dwelling there and ruling all the nations.
Can’t be “mid-trib”; no abomination of desolation yet.
I am hoping for pre-trib. However, a former pastor of mine is absolutely convinced that there will not be a rapture. That all believers will have to suffer through the tribulation. If that is the case, I daresay that a vast number of those who call themselves Christians will either give up through absolute despair or they will renounce Christ in order to try to escape the pain of torture that will be coming to believers.... when in fact they will not Escape any torture because they will end up in hell.
Mid-trib. And I believe the Tribulation period begins with the Sixth Seal, the great earthquake. At the fifth seal, the souls under the alter cry out,
“When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Rev 6:9-10
If the Great Tribulation began at the First Seal, why would souls in heaven ask, “How long until you judge?” The souls don’t see them as the wrath of God. If the Tribulation Period began at the First Seal, they would known the answer. Since they didn’t know the answer, they asked, “How long”. God answered, saying,
“. . . it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.” Rev 6:11
Notice they are not told, “It’s already begun.” Instead, they are told, “not yet”, and that it won’t happen until the full number of Christians are put to death. In other words, the judgment hasn’t started. The persecution presented here, is still occurring. The 20th Century has seen millions of Christians killed.
Second question:
At the Sixth Seal, a great earthquake occurs. This passage gives mankind’s response:
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Rev 6:12-17
Prior to the earthquake, neither those in heaven , or those on earth consider the Tribulation period to have begun. But at the earthquake, “the great day of His wrath has come.”
A-Mil.
Mid-Trib/Post-Trib
How could it be either? The “Trib” is indicated to be so bad “that no flesh would be saved” (Matthew 24:22, Mark 13:20). No war is ongoing right now that could even bring us close to that.
Catching up on this thread. I sincerely appreciate all the views expressed.
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