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The Fall of Avdeevka
Various | 2/15/24 | Me

Posted on 02/15/2024 6:52:23 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970

I'm hearing a lot of chatter tonight that the Ukrainian position in Avdeevka has all but collapsed. Evidently the air defense base anchoring their southern defenses was flanked and rapidly overrun, with the Russian flag planted on it. I'm also hearing: The Neo-Nazi Azov brigade (disingenuously referred to simply as the 3rd Brigade in Washington/MSM propaganda today) was sent to bolster Ukrainian defenses on the flanks while troops in forward positions retreated, but they were caught in the open field, massacred, and are refusing to follow orders. This would help explain the general collapse scenario.

Maybe it is not so bad for Washington's forces (ala Tolkien's line "he that flees counts every foe twice"), but it appears a slow retreat is turning into a route, with retreating troops being bombed heavily in the open before they can get a fair distance into "safe" territory.

What are other people hearing? There is not a blip out of the MSM, of course.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 50centarmy; avdeevka; avdiivka; azov; goodnaziinfestation; killkillkillforpeace; nato; propagandist; putin; putinbotinfestation; russia; russiacheerleaders; theusualcrew; ukraine; vanity; war; youcrane; zot
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To: hardspunned

Just what I posted in the OP, that they had been deployed to guard the flanks but did not have prepared positions and suffered heavy losses, and are now refusing orders (whatever those might be).


21 posted on 02/15/2024 7:09:56 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970

How many Ukrainians have died to advance the policies of Joe Biden and the Deep State? Can I get a detailed breakdown for the 36 month time period Biden has been in the White Hut?
How many Ukrainian soldiers?
How many Ukrainian civilians?
How many non-Ukrainian soldiers?
(If you would like to also break it down by gender and/or skin color, that is not necessary. But thanks for the thought.)


22 posted on 02/15/2024 7:18:32 PM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

Inbred psychosis

Yes we con

Chains

Hoax

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23 posted on 02/15/2024 7:19:13 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms⁸)
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To: EnderWiggin1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQMl7By7x8k reporting Azovites have suffered >300 casualties and speaks of the fall now being "hours" rather than "days" away.
24 posted on 02/15/2024 7:19:42 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: Mariner
Yes, collapse is inevitable. And once it happens, no amount of money or arms with make any difference whatsoever.

On February 15th, 1989, the last Red Army soldiers left Afghanistan.

After 10 years of fighting, the Soviet-Afghan War was over,

The Red Army lost 14 000 man in 10 years.

Now, the Russians have lost 200 000+ in Ukraine in less than 2 years


25 posted on 02/15/2024 7:28:14 PM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: wildcard_redneck
The Azov Battalion are literally, not figuratively, globohomo socialist Nazis.


26 posted on 02/15/2024 7:30:21 PM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Srednik; All

“The Azov Brigade is to be honored for protecting the territorial integrity of Ukraine.”


One of the reasons the LPR and DPR militias fought so hard, and why there is so much support for Russia and so much hostility to Ukraine in the East, is because Kiev sent AZOV/Right Sector in there after 2014, and the criminal antics of AZOV in Mariupol, Odessa etc. have hardened the attitudes of the Separatists never to surrender to Kiev.


27 posted on 02/15/2024 7:32:46 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: tlozo

I would like a Russian explain to me why is the tolerance by the Russian tolerance for Russo-Ukrainian War casualties so much greater than during the Soviet Union when they fought the Afghan War. It doesn’t make sense to me. They were Communists back then. But now, they are Capitalist. So on paper, they have more to live more. Or do they?


28 posted on 02/15/2024 7:33:23 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: EnderWiggin1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z79vFzz4FVc around 5:20 has inset video showing the mudpit conditions of the last remaining dirt road access to Avdeevka.
29 posted on 02/15/2024 7:43:04 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: MinorityRepublican
I would like a Russian explain to me why is the tolerance by the Russian tolerance for Russo-Ukrainian War casualties

Most deaths are not from Moscow or St Petersburg but from remote areas like Buryatia


30 posted on 02/15/2024 7:44:43 PM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: EnderWiggin1970
I do not trust the daily reports from either Russian or Ukrainian sources, on individual daily basis, except for events like a factory exploding or a ship sinking. Both sides are releasing information that makes them look good or softens the blow for their country's citizens. The rest of the world is a secondary news source and market for this conflict. For a conflict involving a major world power like Russia, Americans are not used to this. Anything coming out of Twitter, Telegram, YouTube or social media is suspect. There no social media user is getting field reports before Kyiv or Moscow.

Russians will eventually take Avdiivka, at far greater cost than Ukraine, then stop, unable to advance further. The same as what happened in Bakhmut. Russia is not attacking places out of operational planning or strategy. They are attacking where there are enough rail lines and roads to concentrate forces to attack. That's it. Russian logistics can not handle more than that.

Social media can take every Twitter or Telegram about every block by block report and turn them into overly academic analyses all they want. The big picture is Avdiivka is 11 square miles, Russia flanked the city on three sides, and it took them two years to take it. That is a pitiful showing by the Russian military.

Russia is willing to take high loses. There is still a limit on what they can take and fight effectively. According to Forbes, Russia lost 10% of its tanks at Avdiivka, at a 12:1 loss ratio, for what is left of the city. Ukraine can afford to trade a pile of rubble for casualties like that.

One more of many Russian Pyrrhic victories.

31 posted on 02/15/2024 7:46:08 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 🛇 CCCP 2.0 🛇)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m not Russian, but the difference would be that Afghanistan was a foreign, offensive venture. The war in Ukraine is a defensive venture meant to drive back NATO expansion from Germany to the Russian border, in direct contradiction to the NATO promise not to expand following the collapse of the USSR. In addition there is the persecution of Russian-leaning citizens by neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine. Ukraine has a significant Germanic population (that’s why you have people like the American political fraudster Alexander Vindmann being of “Ukrainian” identity despite having an obviously germanic name) and that seems to play a role in the existence of neo-Nazi sentiment there.


32 posted on 02/15/2024 7:49:22 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: Widget Jr

“According to Forbes”

Thanks for the LAUGH!


33 posted on 02/15/2024 7:50:50 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Srednik

Here we go, another Uke harpy, euro-trashbag flying in, recently, with English as a 2nd language.

And actually boosting real Nazis, for real.

GTFO eurotrash - you stink like a $h|tpile.


34 posted on 02/15/2024 7:51:50 PM PST by AAABEST (That time Washington DC became a corrupted, existential threat to us all...)
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To: BenLurkin
What’s an Avdeevka?


35 posted on 02/15/2024 7:53:23 PM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
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36 posted on 02/15/2024 7:54:22 PM PST by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: EnderWiggin1970
in direct contradiction to the NATO promise not to expand following the collapse of the USSR

Right, and this NATO "promise" is in what treaty?

37 posted on 02/15/2024 7:55:21 PM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: bimboeruption
Sure, the Jewish President of Ukraine, is Hitler. Okay

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s great-grandparents died when the Nazis burned their village, he said in an interview on CNN Monday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/killed-in-a-fire-zelensky-gives-new-details-about-his-familys-holocaust-history/

38 posted on 02/15/2024 7:59:36 PM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
I guess all the Russian police and FSB agents living in Moscow told their sons not to join the military and they're not doing that.

Putin refuses to mobilize in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

So Putin is not going to break.

Sucks for Ukraine.

39 posted on 02/15/2024 8:04:25 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: BobL
I’m thinking that the Kiev government knows that a condition for having serious talks with Russia is dealing with their Nazi Infestation, so perhaps this is how they’re trying to do so - send them into the arms and/or guns of the Russians.

Zelensky, of Jewish ancestry, said the quiet part out loud last year: he wants Ukraine to become a ‘big Israel’, as well as allowing dual Israeli citizenship. After cleansing Ukraine of Nazis, the final step will be to use this opportunity to cleanse Ukraine's breadbasket of Christians. The strategy is to create a second homeland for Israel, a gift for God's chosen people, paid for by the West.


40 posted on 02/15/2024 8:06:48 PM PST by Reeses
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