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Evangelicals Need to Stop Shaming Men: They need to stop delivering hectoring "Man up!" lectures that simply drive men away
Aaron Ren.com ^ | October 26, 2023 | Aaron M. Ren

Posted on 11/03/2023 3:07:30 AM PDT by C19fan

Welcome to those of you who just joined after seeing me on Dr. Steve Turley’s show. Thanks so much for signing up. I cover a lot of topics here but the main focus is the intersection of the future of the evangelical church with men’s issues. I recently wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal about why men turn to online influencers instead of traditional authorities. And I just finished a five part series digging a bit deeper into some of the reasons I highlighted.

What Jordan Peterson Can Teach Church Leaders (in the Wall Street Journal)

By Men For Men

Treat Men Like They Matter

The Quest for Male Community

The Problem With Servant Leadership (An Aspirational Vision of Manhood)

News Men Can Use

Wouldn’t you know it, this week in World magazine’s opinion section, Nathanael Blake from EPPC wrote an essay arguing that an aversion to marriage by men is unmanly. He writes:

(Excerpt) Read more at aaronrenn.com ...


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: divorce; letmenbemen; manup; marriage; men; respectformen; respectindividual; servantleader; shaming
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Perhaps men have always been the cannon fodder of society but at least there were potential rewards if one survived. Society does not give a damn about the physical, mental, and financial well being of men. It is all about sacrificing whether dying or being scarred in some god forsaken Hell Hole for the sake of the Gay American Empire (GAE) or marrying carousel riding women and single moms more often than not losing half or more of income and assets in divorce or being completely emasculated.
1 posted on 11/03/2023 3:07:30 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

After having been 100% invisible to women all my life, I am beginning to think it has been a blessing in disguise.


2 posted on 11/03/2023 3:37:55 AM PDT by MachIV
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RE: “The Problem With Servant Leadership”

Leftist ideology twists everything.

I subscribe to the idea of servant leadership in this manner;

As a leader, I must be proficient in doing, willing to do and actually doing the same things I lead others to do. As a leader, you don’t always have the time to do the things you task others with doing, because you’re in the role of leadership over the tasks, but you better be fully ABLE, SKILLED and EQUIPPED to do those tasks. When the need arises for “more hands on deck”, the leader, in humility, must be ready and willing to actually help to DO the tasks and not feel entitled in your leadership role by feeling that you’re “above” such menial duties. The leader must have the demonstrated, fruit bearing evidence for the same skills over which the leader is charged to lead others.

If you don’t have the skills, you earn no respect.
If you don’t have the care, you after heartless.
If you don’t have the humility, you are a petty tyrant.

People easily see through such frauds and is often why people don’t respect their bosses, their parents, or their church leadership.

This “new and improved” definition, as put forth by these neuvo pontificating authors and “teachers” is the wimpification and demasculation of the original intent. They propose the servant leadership is akin to the examples in contemporary marketing, where the man of the house is a spineless loser with a title, yet no skills, intellect and a chump. This is NOT servant leadership.


3 posted on 11/03/2023 4:07:20 AM PDT by SheepWhisperer (Get involved with, or start a home fellowship group. It will be the final church. ACTS 2:42-47)
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follow-up

Matthew 18 and John 13 give clear examples of servant leadership.


4 posted on 11/03/2023 4:14:13 AM PDT by SheepWhisperer (Get involved with, or start a home fellowship group. It will be the final church. ACTS 2:42-47)
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To: C19fan

If they are driven away then they were not men in the first place.


5 posted on 11/03/2023 4:21:12 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: SheepWhisperer
"Leftist ideology twists everything."

Yeah, that right there just about covers the whole conversation...

6 posted on 11/03/2023 4:39:30 AM PDT by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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If they are driven away then they were not men in the first place.

Because a REAL MAN is a masochist.

You can insult and abuse him 24/7 and he'll just MAN UP and ask for more!

7 posted on 11/03/2023 4:44:32 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: SheepWhisperer

Well put... Thanks for that. :)


8 posted on 11/03/2023 4:56:30 AM PDT by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: Angelino97

Let us see how this next war goes with DIE. Diversity Inclusion Equity only armed forces. Let the heterosexual males and females sit this one out. Good for corporate structure,good for society! We are going to lose anyway so why sacrifice the breeding population in another useless war?


9 posted on 11/03/2023 5:04:35 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: MachIV

I agree. For men, being married has its blessings if you are in a good marriage. However, being single also has its blessings for men and, I believe, more than women.

As a single man, you are responsible for yourself, but you can unapologetically live the life you want, regardless of how others think you should live.


10 posted on 11/03/2023 5:07:35 AM PDT by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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11 posted on 11/03/2023 5:08:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Openurmind

Real men also count the costs of their activity and decide against marriage or such if they believe the costs are too much. It’s not a man’s role in society to accept disrespect and mistreatment.


12 posted on 11/03/2023 5:09:45 AM PDT by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: C19fan

Men do get a harder sermon than women do.


13 posted on 11/03/2023 5:50:32 AM PDT by bray (You can tell who the Commies fear.)
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To: C19fan

Perhaps Evangelicals should read and comprehend the full bible, laws of Moses and the prophets. Set examples and expectations.


14 posted on 11/03/2023 5:53:36 AM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things! )
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To: C19fan

What about men who really do need to man-up? We all know a few.


15 posted on 11/03/2023 6:55:03 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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“It’s not a man’s role in society to accept disrespect and mistreatment.”

Why not? So what? Life is hard... deal with it head on with resolve or drop out like a crybaby. Especially if decisions were our own and only we are responsible for our decisions.

Reminds me of the time I was complaining about my mother in law and blaming my wife for letting her come around. Then I realized that my mother in law was my fault because I chose to marry my wife. I knew she came with the mother in law. So I had no one to blame but myself.


16 posted on 11/03/2023 7:02:45 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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“Nathanael Blake from EPPC wrote an essay arguing that an aversion to marriage by men is unmanly.”

Pastors continually ignore Paul’s advice that it is better not to marry.


17 posted on 11/03/2023 7:04:07 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Ted Cruz said Jan. 6 was terrorism; don't forget that the next time you vote.)
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To: bray
Men do get a harder sermon than women do.

Because a married man's job number one is to get his family into heaven.

They are failing miserably by lacking faith, hope and charity.

Man was made in God's image. Woman was made from the side of Man to be his helper and perfect mate.

18 posted on 11/03/2023 7:36:16 AM PDT by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: MachIV

I believe that there is someone for everyone, but you have to pray for it. I’ve only been married once, but she was my fourth fiancé. The first three broke up with me. I always prayed for a wife that was: good, intelligent, even natured and attractive (In that order). It took 13 yrs of dating, but we found each other. She likes to try to exert more control than she should and I like to escape the reservation. We’ve been married for over 35 yrs. In our own way it works.


19 posted on 11/03/2023 7:37:36 AM PDT by fini
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To: SheepWhisperer

I couldn’t agree with you more.


20 posted on 11/03/2023 7:38:45 AM PDT by fini
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