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Posted on 08/07/2023 4:49:35 AM PDT by marktwain
One of the silliest arguments about the purposes of the Second Amendment is put forward this way. The newly formed Constitutional government would never have created an amendment with the purpose of destroying the government just created. Here is an example from the far-left eugeneweekly.com:
That newly created narrative included the supposed purpose of arming citizens in order to enable them to rebel against the very constitutional government which the Founders were establishing with its checks and balances. This despite the Founders having defined treason as taking up arms against that very government.
But this glaring contradiction persisted and found a home within the halls of the Supreme Court, whose collective wisdom may have suffered from the influx of unreported gifts by billionaires to a number of justices weighing in on the question.
One of the principle causes of the Revolutionary War was the attempt by the Government of England, specifically the King, to disarm the American colonists. The proximate start of the war resulted from an attempt by the Crown to confiscate privately and publicly owned weapons, resulting in the battles of Lexington and Concord. During the war, a British minister proposed disarming all the colonists in perpetuity. Having just defeated a government bent on their disarmament, the successful revolutionaries were not about to grant such power to the newly formed government of the Constitution.
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Maybe the writer from Eugene Weekly should be asking “What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?”
WE THE PEOPLE do hereby establish and \ordain\...
Says it all.
And, acquiring arms is not “taking up arms against a gov’mt”.
Typical commie trash reasoning.
E.g., We need to discredit an issue
Get one of our stupid members (wow, just throw a rock) to assert something weird while claiming to support the issue
Use that as a straw man and argue not only that the point is bad but since the conservatives brought it up that shows they are stupid.
Tyrants will never trust citizens to be armed.
“Silly Argument”
That never seems to matter...?
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I forget when precisely, but I believe in the early 1900s the collective model came to being. The Miller opinion didn’t help (it’s one of the worst opinions from a writing perspective, and the case itself was a bit of a sham). Many a tree was killed pushing the idea that no, actually you can only have a firearm if you’re part of the National Guard blah blah blah.
Heller sort of put an end to that cottage industry of destroying one civil right in the name of statism, erm, public health. And keep in mind, Heller was 5-4…one vote away from devastation. Parenthetically, it was Kennedy who tipped the scales, and it’s arguable that if the late Robert Bork was on the bench we’d have lost.
With the New York State case and the 6-3 ruling, I’ve noticed the advent of a new form of collectivist arguments for the 2nd Amendment: outright dumbassery. I’ve seen (and posted) some stunningly daft pieces trying to tear down this “palladium” of civil rights. The writers evince no understanding of basic history, an inability to use a search engine to get fundamentals right, kindergartner-level reasoning skills, and for all I know the authors may be simply bad AI.
Maybe the pandemic and the attendant isolation and Zoom calls warped people’s reasoning capacity, maybe the Covid shots messed up collectivists’’ DNA, or maybe the left just wants to complain that everyone was offsides
Regardless, we seem to have Home Ice advantage nowadays on the 2nd Amendment. Your average citizen recognizes this right as an individual one, and we are ahead 2-0 and the series is returning to our city. That said, leaving this in the hands of simple republicans will guarantee a 7-game loss. We need to remain vigilant, and keep scoring goals even if we are ahead.
If you had read it, the writer of the original piece is a retired magistrate judge.
This echoes my prior comments that, rather than focusing ineffective efforts upon the elitists in the halls of power, we should all focus locally upon their supporters.
That includes wolves in black robes.
there does not exist a ‘gun-control’ argument that can survive an intelligent defense of the 2A
Our founders were intelligent enough to know that the concept of, “consent of the goverened,” was merely a hollow sentiment without the means of refusing or withdrawing consent.
Well, do not skip over 27 years of record firearms sale, each year more than the year before. The ruling class and the supremes are noticing.
You are right. I thought I was at the end of the article when I got to where you enter your name and email if you want to get articles. But I went back and found they put that right in the middle of the article.
One of the basic talking points of the constitutional convention in Philadelphia was how to limit the federal government. It was hoped the feds would be a tiny presence among the many and powerful states but, well…
The 2A was clearly established so citizens could overthrow the feds.
That’s just the result of clever marketing by the NRA, according to the author of the original piece.
It's simple, really. The Founders made it perfectly simple to stop consenting - stop consenting. Just stop consenting. But you see, we "consent" to a corrupt, broken federal reserve every time we spend or accept their greenback, fiat "federal reserve notes". We consent to the destruction of the 2nd Amendment every time we walk into a gun store and submit to an entirely unconstitutional background check. We consent to the tax system by participating in the employment construct and generating a taxable income.
And there's the rub: stop consenting, and all that good stuff goes away. All those creature comforts. The ability to keep the trophy wife in climate controlled, clothing closet filled conditions. The mortgage on that house you only THINK you own. The lifted pickups and all the toys. It all goes away.
Then again, we are fond of saying "freedom isn't free". Unfortunately, that doesn't just apply to the men & women in uniform protecting America. That includes us. See tagline.
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