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1 posted on 02/28/2019 6:31:09 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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2 posted on 02/28/2019 6:32:22 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Lessay you could travel back in time:

Let’s say you have an Ipad and are in one of the Normandy-bound landing craft as it churns it’s way towards the beach.

Using moving clips and photos, you show the nervous men Europe in 2019 —the future they are about to fight for.

Would they run up the beach and scale those clifss..?

Results matter:

I WOULD NOT.


3 posted on 02/28/2019 6:36:19 AM PST by gaijin
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Nope. Japan was engaged in rape and pillage in China, Indonesia. Britain was already engaged against Japan and we were giving aid to Britain. Japan had decided to go to war against the US years earlier in their long term plans.

The war was nothing more than a continuation of WWI. Some of the players shifted sides, but the US involvement in WWII was inevitable. Only thing that might have changed would have been the time frame.


4 posted on 02/28/2019 6:36:46 AM PST by rstrahan
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This is going to be a fun thread.


5 posted on 02/28/2019 6:38:31 AM PST by Keflavik76
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The real question is can he prevent WWIII?


6 posted on 02/28/2019 6:38:51 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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No.


7 posted on 02/28/2019 6:39:01 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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I read a book by one of the German generals. He commanded the fighter division of the Luftwaffe.

He said Germany was around 2 years away from being ready for the war. Despite early victories they knew they would lose a protracted war.

I think Yamamoto thought the same.


10 posted on 02/28/2019 6:42:47 AM PST by yarddog
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some of the trumpster Kool-Aid drinkers are as delusional as the hopenchangers were


11 posted on 02/28/2019 6:42:59 AM PST by wny
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That is why history is fun to learn.

So many “what ifs”

No WWI - no WWII

No insane WWI peace treaty with Germany. No WWII


13 posted on 02/28/2019 6:44:05 AM PST by 2banana (Were you)
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No habla englais?


14 posted on 02/28/2019 6:44:44 AM PST by Artemis Webb
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Too simplistic of an idea to even talk about. Japan, Russia, Germany and Italy extremism was too much for a newspaper to stop kinda like the deep state with the fake news media as a propaganda war.


22 posted on 02/28/2019 7:01:36 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Franklin D. Roosevelt had his fingers in his ears and said LA LA LA LA LA as long as he could


24 posted on 02/28/2019 7:24:03 AM PST by butlerweave
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Sure, had the Manhattan Project been more timely and we’d nuked Berlin and Tokyo.


31 posted on 02/28/2019 7:44:11 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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It was Hitler who declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor so even if Japan was left alone the US would have had to respond to Adolph.


35 posted on 02/28/2019 8:34:24 AM PST by 1066AD
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There are actually two issues here, though they are interrelated.

The first issue is relative military strength. The United States in the relatively same magnitude of military strength as Germany in both WWI and WWII. Nowadays, if we get into a war with other countries, we will usually dominate the airspace and sealanes in relative short order, allowing our forces on the ground much easier opportunities to meet the objectives. The only difficulty comes in the protocols of war in which we reduce civilian casualties as much as possible, which will necessarily increase our own casualty rate. Even so, our casualty rate will be far, far lower than the enemy’s casualty rate.

The second issue is diplomacy, which is two-fold in itself depending on the makeup of the adversary. With dictators, the only ability that works is threat of military force, with actual use of it when necessary. With more advanced governments, favorable win-win trade deals become more likely, with far less likelihood of kinetic operations, aka WWI and WWII redux.

I doubt WWII could have been prevented, at least in scope of world military balances. It is IMPERATIVE that the Constitutionalists ALWAYS have superior, unambiguous military supremacy, to prevent the likelihood of non-suicidal missions of war by adversaries. Otherwise, the temptation is strong. Peace can ONLY be applied through strength. Weakness will ALWAYS bring out the likelihood of kinetic activity.


37 posted on 02/28/2019 8:37:26 AM PST by GOP Congress
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He would have left Japan alone to let them be the big brother of Asia.

Say WHAT?

Are you not aware of what Japan was doing for the sixty years before WWII?

War with Japan was inevitable. They wanted the entire Pacific Rim and, in case you failed to notice that includes the entire West Coast of the Americas.

42 posted on 02/28/2019 9:17:25 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (If you are going to be baked by a witch you might as well go out with a mouth full of gingerbread!)
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I recently read a book about Charles Lindbergh's opposition to American entry into WWII ( Charles A. Lindbergh and the battle against American intervention in World War II and am currently reading another for balance. (If balance is needed. I don't know. Those Angry Days.)

My overwhelming impression from the first book is that Lindbergh didn't get along with the Press anytime after he made his historic flight. First it was just a privacy issue, but as the drums were rollin' for war it became a political issue. FDR, mostly through Ickes, had his lackeys in the Press crucify Lindbergh. The parallels with what is going on with Trump seem clear.

Now the impression of most is the Lindbergh was a Nazi and an anti-Semite. The same is regularly said about Donald Trump, but my impression is that these aren't true for either.

Lindbergh had huge support and he may well have kept us out of WWII until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor when all opposition about entering the war collapsed, including Lindbergh's.

ML/NJ

43 posted on 02/28/2019 9:18:06 AM PST by ml/nj
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Hitler wanted to be a GREAT BIG FISH in a GREAT BIG Pond.

Kim wants to be a FAT thuggy fish in an itty bitty little pond.

Sanctions hurt North Korean peasants and slaves more than than the vodka and caviar consuming NK fat thug and his NK Deep State’ sycophants...

(The solution verges on obvious.)

48 posted on 02/28/2019 9:31:23 AM PST by GOPJ (MSNBC and CNN fools who believed Jussie Smollett & Michael Avenatti will also believe Michael Cohen.)
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No because the Japanese and Germans wanted to steal what we have and sooner or later they would have come after the BIG PRIZE which was and always is us.


52 posted on 02/28/2019 9:36:35 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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Hi All. I have said this on many former counter-factual threads and I'll say it again here. I'd love to see an alternative history ping list, especially since it would be populated by Freepers.

As far as the question at hand What if the course of post war Japan and western Europe, from essentially medieval, post apocalyptic societies to first world economic superpowers in roughly 20 years was presented to the great powers at the turn of the 20th century by the master negotiator, President Trump.

“Your choice - A golden age of Science, Industry, Art, Culture, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness on one hand or millions of lives lost and trillions of dollars wasted on what, in effect will be a hundred year long series of wars”. Could President Trump have sold this in 1904 ? What would the world be like today if he did ?

63 posted on 02/28/2019 10:42:44 AM PST by ADemocratNoMore (The Fourth Estate is now the Fifth Column)
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