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Andre Brian Butterfield
Posted on 02/05/2014 10:57:21 AM PST by butterdezillion
This gives perspective on the casket images for the casket at Loretta Fuddy's funeral, showing how the body matches the casket's dimensions, using a casket's standard length as the basis to set the scale and then setting Fuddy's photo and the casket image to scale.
Fuddy would barely have fit into that casket, and only with her arms squished in above her body. Her hands would have had to be up on her chest to be clasped as they were, and the image of the hands cannot be Fuddy in this casket. If they had intended to show Fuddy's body they would have used an oversized casket. The lid of this casket shows it is not an oversized casket.
Butter, if you have used harsh words I’ve never seen them. I’ve read an awful lot of your posts, and all I’ve seen are calm and focused replies, often simply ignoring the gratuitous negativity that comes your way. I couldn’t do it. I don’t know how you can. I admire you, though. And thanks for all your research. It is invaluable.
I’ll be on the lookout for RR’s posts in the future. Sounds like a person whose thoughts I’d like to get to know. Thanks for the info.
They’ve overused the usual suspicious deaths. They’re running out of options. This one, they can say, “Well, they could always have done it an easier way”.
I don’t know why they didn’t just make a movie-type mock-up for her if they wanted her to appear in the casket. That’s why I didn’t pay attention when the funeral was held. Maybe they were afraid somebody would be able to tell it was fake. I don’t know.
What I do know is that her body would have been squished if she was in that coffin, and there is no way that her hands could have been in that position and no way that we’d just see a couple little bumps sticking out from above. Not just her hands but her arms would have had to be on top of the rest of her body.
If they were really going to have an open-casket funeral the funeral home would have put her in position with hands together and measured her at the widest point, where the bent elbows would be at her side. They would have seen that it was larger than the standard size and would have put her in a plus-sized casket. I was reading up on how they do things, and that’s how. They never intended to have an open-casket funeral for her. Either that, or they had no body to measure. Or forgot which casket they were supposed to use at the funeral.
How about a picture of her next to another human being or something of known size. How tall/heavy was she? She doesn’t look that big and unless she was very tall, I doubt that she’s too big to fit into a standard casket.
They do the sign of the cross during the worship, at communion, and also going past the casket. Plus when doing prayers IIRC.
I don’t remember seeing any vids with the long view as seen when standing facing the side of the casket, just the one when facing the short end....
Thanks for posting that, for people’s reference. That’s the photoshopped image in the KITV video.
Wow. I just noticed something else. I can’t believe I missed this. That casket and the one that’s in the “mourners-passing-by” photos from the visitation (or wherever they were supposed to be from) are the wrong shape. The left end-piece of the box isn’t supposed to be straight across. It’s supposed to have a recessed part closest to the front of the casket, so the wide padded lip of the lid can fill in that space. Those were the angles I was going to try to get perspective from when I started out this morning. This image isn’t even of the same casket.
Here’s a link to a pic of her standing next to a man. I don’t know his dimensions, though, so I’m not sure how useful it is:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3110483/posts?q=1&;page=101#113
[It’s the pic below the one where they’re in the water. Scroll down a little to see it.]
Takes awhile to get into the database if it just was done mid January.
So what is going on? What is your guess your take?
There’s a photo of her standing next to Neil Abercrombie, who is 5’5” tall. She’s just a little shorter than him, which is why I put her at 5’2”. That’s all in the first post I did about this, at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/did-fuddy-have-an-open-casket-funeral-updated1.pdf
For the assessor that’s essentially true, but the county recorder’s office has records posted into February already so a January transfer deed would be of record and in their online system. Besides, a poster above showed that the property is still available for sale. I believe this particular situation might turn out to be nothing.
Whether Butterdezillion’s original assertion about anomalies with Fuddy in the casket pans out or not is a separate issue.
The property is still listed for sale on the realtor’s website and the Florida MLS.
“They’ve overused the usual suspicious deaths.”
Dies in her sleep is not suspicious. And since the coroner is involved they can make any claim about cause of death.
Which would you be more likely to believe is a faked death - a healthy woman dies in her sleep, or a very public catastrophic engine failure?
The internal dimensions of a standard casket are 79’ long by 24’ wide. I’m pretty sure she would fit.
A 65 year old, overweight woman dying in her sleep is much more plausible. It happens everyday, in every city in America.
A standard casket is 74”L x 23”W x 12”H.
A wide casket is 74”L x 27”W x 12”H.
Both are interior dimensions.
http://www.bjs.com/biz/help/FAQ_Funeral.pdf
Have you looked at the post I directed you to, where I put my blog post here? I knew from other sources that she’s about 5’2” and knew the size of the casket so I put the viewing area of the casket into scale using a grid on Word. Then I took the photo of her from the morning of the crash and enlarged it until she was 5’2” according to that grid, and that is the size that I compared to the size of the casket.
I don’t know any more exact or objective way to analyze this situation, and if there is something wrong with my method I wish somebody would tell me what is wrong with it.
I’ve looked at a lot of sites about how they prepare for funerals, and they normally measure the person in the standard position with hands together on the stomach, measuring across the whole body at the elbows where they are bent, which is the widest point. If the person is wider across than the size of a standard casket then they use an oversized casket. Fuddy should have been put in a wider casket, based on the photo of her that morning. They used a standard casket AND there were only a few small dark blobs that stuck up out of that casket.
People were speculating about what should or shouldn’t have showed so I wanted to see how she WOULD fit - not just my opinion or hunch, but cold hard numbers. That’s what I put together. And they make it clear that if she was in that casket it would have been a tight squeeze and her arms would have to be on top of her body.
And then, just now I realized that the photo of her in the casket has the wrong kind of casket even. The end of it where the head is shouldn’t go straight across; it should have maybe a 4-5” notch that’s lower as it nears the front of the casket, so the cushioned wide-lip lid can fit into that notch. So that definitely wasn’t even the same casket as was at the funeral.
How many people on here who are saying that it would be too crazy for Fuddy’s death to be faked through a plane crash - which is almost the ONLY argument anybody here has given - would argue the same thing if the regime gave her a new identity by claiming that she had just quietly died in her sleep?
The ONLY argument they can rely on at this point, given the faked funeral stuff, is that it is too - ahem - AUDACIOUS to stage a plane crash in order to whisk her away. If they had quietly whisked her away and claimed that she died in her sleep with no witnesses there, no fog of confusion because of differing accounts, etc, they would have eliminated the only argument anybody ever gives - the argument based on normalcy bias.
It’s the argument you’re making. What argument would you use to deny a faked death if they said she died in her sleep with no witnesses present?
And another thing. They want everybody to think Fuddy is dead. The “birthers” want to say she was killed because it fits the meme and finding out whether and/or how they bumped her off would keep us occupied in the belief that she is dead. They would happily have us think they killed her if that would keep us from locating her and making her available for testimony. They control law enforcement; nobody’s going to investigate her death. But any of us can be on the lookout for her alive, and that’s what they want to make sure DOESN’T happen.
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