WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING

The Blaze ^ | November 5, 2012 | Charles C. Johnson

[Seizethecarp]

To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.

Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.

An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.

Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.

[bluecat6]

Very good points.

Too bad the art (and science) of investigative reporting is all but dead.

My approach has been to collect anything and everything and document it. Hence all the dates. Then sort through them and figure out a) is it real via authenticatable evidence and b) does it fit with other firmly established data points and c) does it fit with other possibly established data points.

Using the above approach I have written off Kenya as a birth place. Nothing validates that scenario. I have not written off Hawaii or Washington or Canada or really anywhere in the US. But really I find anything before the high school years at risk and unverified.

The newer stuff (college records, health reacords, passport records, immigration records, etc.) have just been buried. Its interesting/frustrating to see all the ‘creation’ of history about the early years.

Kenya and even early Hawaii have been honey pots as the cyber-security guys say. A fake target. Indonesia seems to have real problematical issues.

Could you image someone trying write a real, deep, authentic biography at this point?

[Fred Nerks]

...Could you image someone trying write a real, deep, authentic biography at this point?

In a word, IMPOSSIBLE. I'll repeat myself: You don't know who his mother and father were. You don't know when he was born. You don't know where he was born.

How-ever, one thing does appear to be becoming apparent: there was a child born in Hawaii named Barack Hussein Obama 11, probably in January 1961 and that child wasn't zero. The name of the dark boy's father is correct, but all we know about his mother is that her name was either ANN or ANNA OBAMA, and she was enrolled at the University of Hawaii for Fall, 1960.

That dark child, so evidently older than zero, next shows up with his father, Ruth and their son Mark in 1965/66 IN KENYA, when he's five or six years old:

[little jeremiah]

One question I have is that since it is obvious to anyone with a questioning and non-infatuated mind, that the man in the WH was not born with the name Barack Hussein Obama, but he is using that name now, are ANY documents with the name BHO that refer to him at all legal? Totally apart from any out and out forgeries.

If a person is using a fake name that is legally his name, then I would assume that ANY and ALL papers signed, or documents in that name, are neither legal nor binding.

I wonder about this.

[vigilante2]

bttt

[Fred Nerks]

I can’t answer your question, the answer to which probably explains why no one who aught to care, will touch it.

[Fred Nerks]

Who was living at the Seattle address? And why do they insist on calling ANNA OBAMA Stanley Ann Dunham?

AMERICAN THINKER

"...Mary was interviewed before the release of Obama's purported birth certificate. It was important to have witnesses confirm an early August birth. Susan Blake claimed that Obama was "pink and very new" in late August 1961, just "three-weeks old." Mary Toutonghi remembers a seven-month-old whom she babysat in the beginning of 1962. The question is -- was she mistaken about the date of first encounter?

To jog her memory, Mary recounted the age of her own daughter: "[She] was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 [this has been verified] and that would have placed the months of babysitting Barack in January and February of 1962." Those dates, however, don't add up. A child born in July 1959 would be 18 months old in January/February of 1961, several months before Ann reportedly moved to Seattle.

Perhaps to rectify this problem, Mary tried another way to remember the time she babysat. In a 2009 WND interview, Mary stated, "My daughter was 18 months old and she just had her 50th birthday this year ... so that would make the time around February and March 1962." Again, the math doesn't work. The year 2009 minus 50 gives us the correct birth year for Mary's child, but adding 18 months again brings us to January/February of 1961..."

Stanley Ann Dunham visited Susan Blake with a child only a few weeks old, but Mary baby-sat for Anna Obama in JANUARY 1961.

The blending of two women and two children didn't go to plan.

[Seizethecarp]

“But we do have a photograph of the two little boys and one just happens to look like his father would have been the kenyan student, and the other is definitely zero. (Now cometh the resident critic to tell you the boys are Mark and David Ndesandjo, but take my word for it, they are NEITHER MARK NOR DAVID. And that’s why Mark removed the photograph from his webpage, after he tampered with it, trying to change their appearance and colour.”

This post attempts to advance the Mal-Val narrative claim that Malcolm X is Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf is his mom.

These claims are extensively debunked in the Mal-Val Free Republic thread set up specifically to invite credible evidence in support of the claims, if any (none so far and plenty of debunking of the claims made by Fred Nerks and other “researchers,” IMO):

Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts

There are 1,033 comments in the Mal-Val thread. Please don’t hijack this thread (which I started, BTW) with Mal-Val spam! Take Mal-Val claims to the Mal-Val thread!

[bluecat6]

Though obvious (the fraud) here are the problems:

1) There is no winner if the fraud is exposed. Politically that is. If this grenade explodes the shrapnel will hit every politician in office and hit avery branch and function of the federal government. The Repubs will take the hit for letting it go so long. So no power function has anything to gain by exposing the fraud.

2) The path of addressing the fraud is an unknown path that will like be very ugly. Yes, the country would be in crisis until the fraud is addressed after admitting. But again, with no winner - who pushes this?

3) Living the lie became easier that dealing with the truth. Write your Congressperson. I probably have the template of the response from the ones I have recieved. Asked them a direct question - get a deflection. Cowards - all of them.

4) Alinksy in action. Fear of being ridiculed or called a racist is a prime driver.

The entire media has sold out this country. Where is Woodward, where is Bernstein? Not a single MSM function or newspaper does investigative reporting. It was not the politicians or the Democrats or the Justice Department that took down Nixon. It was investigative Journalism. Without WaPo and W&B Nixon serves out his term. The function of the media has failed worse than anything else since 2008.

[Fred Nerks]

...This post attempts to advance the Mal-Val narrative claim that Malcolm X is Barry’s dad and Valerie Sarruf is his mom..."

This post does no such thing. This (and several others) shows that there were two women. One was named Ann/Anna Obama, the other was Stanley Ann Dunham. This also shows there were two little boys, one born in January 1961 and the other anything up to seven months later. This also shows that Stanley Ann Dunham showed up with one of the little boys in Hawaii in around 1963, and the other boy shows up in Kenya in a photograph with his father and stepmother in around 1965/66.

As we say in Oz, now stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[SvenMagnussen]

“Besides, 0 was only 7 years old in 1968 so too young to relinquish on his own (needed to be 16), and mom or guardian couldn’t do it for him.”

Obama had until 6 months after his 18th birthday realize the ramifications of being issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Only a minor issued a Certificate Loss of Nationality can change their mind on the loss of U.S. Citizenship and recapture it by filing a a written request with the U.S. Embassy and presenting themselves before CAO to state an Oath of Allegiance.

Once a CLN is finalized for an adult, it’s permanent. For a minor,the CLN doesn’t become permanent until 6 months after their 18th birthday.

Keep the totality of the investigation in perspective. As an adult, Obama marketed himself in his book as an immigrant born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and America. Being an immigrant who came to America to make his fortune was good marketing for him until he began planning to run for President.

[SvenMagnussen]

As an addendum to Post 170, it is State Department policy to contact all minors who have been issued CLNs at their last known address, on or near their 18th birthday, to remind them they have 6 months to recapture their U.S. Citizenship or their CLN will become permanent.

[Fred Nerks]

Who am I? Am I the Barack Obama Malik says he remembers playing with in the village in Kenya? Am I the Barack Obama 'granny' Sarah says 'passed through her hands' when he was a little boy? Am I the Barack Obama that Aunt Zeituni remembers the kenyan student wrote home about, when he wrote to say he had a son in Hawaii? Am I the Barack Obama Mary baby-sat In January 1961, for the woman known as Anna Obama? Who...who...who am I?

[bitt]

Can we speculate that the Dunhams were just as happy to have BO ride his Indonesian passport and get a scholarship/free ride at the prep school? And then they gamed the system for the Occidental ‘scholarship’?

Did they encourage BO not to regain his citizenship, OR was BO too lazy (and hazy) to follow through on his reminder letter??

[little jeremiah]

To me it’s like having a wound with a filthy broken piece of glass in it. Ignoring it only makes it worse and worse.

By pretending it doesn’t exist, the infection causes gangrene and eventually kills the person.

So this horrendous crime (many, actually) is killing our country. Because in order to pretend “nothing is wrong”, more and MORE wrong has to be ignored. Crime upon crime upon crime. Lie upon lie upon lie. And those perpetrating the crimes and the lies get more and more brazen.

I can’t imagine how this is going to end. The longer it goes on, the more explosive, violent and destructive it will be.

[Seizethecarp]

“Who...who...who am I?”

Fred Nerks has a convoluted narrative, the Mal-Val narrative, which supposedly explains who Barry Obama is, and he is looking for new converts to lure into his view.

I’ll save any lurkers and FReepers a lot of trouble scratching your head over the false labeling of numerous pictures of black babies and false ID of a fictional Anna Obama by re-posting the Mal-Val link and the thread article where the baby pictures and Anna Obama are extensively discussed:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts

Re:”Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man” Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama’s mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:18:33 PM by Seizethecarp

“Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982.” Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.

[little jeremiah]

Stanley Ann Dunham visited Susan Blake with a child only a few weeks old, but Mary baby-sat for Anna Obama in JANUARY 1961.

The blending of two women and two children didn't go to plan.

Didn't go to plan, because when Ayers wrote "Dreams" they didn't know someone would find an "Anna Obama" in the Polk Directory for Seattle in that time period. So they had to make something up on the fly. I guess the interview with Toutonghi (at least the first one?) was before they got to her. So they had to mash together some lies; no doubt had not planned on "bringing" SAD to Seattle at all.

[little jeremiah]

Excuse me but your obsession is showing.

[Fred Nerks]

Moving right along to Indonesia:

Here we have a perfectly nice image of Stanley Ann Dunham sitting in a chair, with zero perched on the arm of that chair beside her. What could possibly be wrong with this image? Take particular notice how nice and polished the timber of the arm of the chair is, and how decoratively it is made...and btw, it's a CHAIR not a COUCH.

Let's take a closer look in black and white, shall we?

Notice how her hair had to be partially removed on one side to accommodate his shoulder? Maybe it's a genuine image, maybe his arm really is that long...

Look what happens next, they haven't moved a muscle; suddenly a baby appears:

And then we have a partial view of the 'family on the couch' we have all become accustomed to...but the baby, although it hasn't moved a muscle either, is now sitting off-centre, and little zero is sitting beside Stanley Ann Dunham. Makes you think...wow, how did they do that?

But it's not until you see the final composition it all starts to come together, here's the chair turned into a couch, with the arm of the chair now painted in because the image was damaged when zero sat on it and they removed him from when it was a chair, extended now - to accommodate a man who was probably photographed sitting in that same chair on a different occasion - and it's happy happy Soetoro family.

Last One: I'll let you figure out why her hand looks like a claw and why her thumb appears to be missing:

And if you can tell me why the baby has a deformed left arm, I would be ever so grateful...

bye for now

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xU-rJNgoWU

nice music, video self explanatory

[little jeremiah]

They must have had very few photos to work from; such a rotten job they did.