Posted on 07/16/2011 5:14:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
A California congressman says voters, Congress and the courts all have cleared Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.
The comments come from U.S. Rep. Tom McClintock, whose e-mail to a constituent with a question about the eligibility issue was forwarded to WND.
He said, "The Constitution is the starting point for determining eligibility to serve as president. The Constitution requires that to be eligible to serve as president an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States, be at least 35 years old, and have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least 14 years."
McClintock continued, "Currently, a candidate's eligibility under these requirements is vetted by a number of sources, both inside the government and out. First, candidates go through an intensive political vetting process in both the primary and general election – their histories are carefully examined by their political opponents who have a vested interest in uncovering the facts. At the end of the campaigns, the voting public weighs in. Then, when all the votes have been cast and counted, it is up to Congress to certify the results. A final check-and-balance against eligibility irregularities lies with the courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court."
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Sorry...
That post should have read: “...produce any civics textbook with that specific definition”
Well put. Thank you.
That incident is mentioned in the movie, "The Undefeated".
One of the comments that was made, was that, if the government hadn't shut it down, it's estimated that $5 Trillion dollars would have disappeared from the US Treasury by the end of that day. It would have collapsed the US economy, and destroyed the international money markets.
This is the level of evil that the next US president will have to confront, and which Obama is in league with.
This British thing keeps coming up.
First we declared independence from them in 1776.
Then in 1812, they were back for more. Not finished with us yet. Burned the Presidential Mansion. I've read they tried to press American-born men into British military service.
Then in 1881, we had Chester Arthur, with a British national for a father, assume the Presidency.
Same thing with BO in 2009. British national for a father.
Thanks for pinging me guys...
I certainly hope this is a case of a “canned” response type letter from a staffer doing routine stuff.
If not, scratch...
Ugh...
=8-(
May have to call his office myself and ask...
I’ll be flamed as a liberal, but I have too much respect for both Tom McClintock and Mark Steyn to disagree with BOTH of them on this issue. If they say it is settled, then I believe it is settled.
Honestly, I think that Obama was eligible for the presidency and I believe that for 2 reasons.
First, I am convinced that Hitlery Clinton would have used that fact during the campaign, if it was true.
But here is the single biggest reason I can’t believe Obama was ineligible to run for president.
Obama was hand picked by George Soros to do his bidding. Soros had thousands upon thousands of communist leaning politicians from which to choose in order to groom his boy for the presidency. I don’t believe Soros is so stupid that he would pick a guy to run for the Senate and run him and groom him for the presidency, all the while a small technical detail like the lack of being a natural born citizen, was a time bomb waiting to blow up and nullify his entire investment in time and money.
I just can’t believe Soros is that stupid. He had countless thousands of communist politicians from which to choose his guy to groom to do his bidding. Why would he pick one who was technically ineligible to be president.
That defies logic to me. Soros isn’t that stupid. All of you who think Obama is not a natural born citizen have to clue me in on why you think Soros is that stupid that he picked Obama over any of the other thousands of communist politicians that could do the same job for him and was a natural born citizen.
Sorry, it just doesn’t make sense.
I can see where you would believe it being that ALL of Obama’s records are sealed back to birth. So it does make you wonder what they are hiding. What they are hiding may be other embarrassing things or politically unpalatable histories in his background. It could be things other than his being a natural born citizen. There are other reasons he may seal his LFBC besides that reason.
I acknowledge the possibility he is not a NBC but I just don’t think Soros would be so stupid as to hand pick someone who was not NBC. I find that hard to imagine.
That’s been decided a long time ago, but a few refuse to accept reality:
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Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
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All four of these cases held essentially the same definition: That two citizen parents are require [sic].
But the squirmers try to find a wiggle word somewhere in the decisions to frasp [sic] at rather than just accepting what the court held four times.”
I’ll save you the trouble. It’s not there. Nor is the imaginary “Both parents must be citizens for the child to be a NBC” requirement found in the test of the Constitution. Nor in any SCOTUS decision. Nor in the U.S. Code.
No, you’re not a liberal. You’re rational, unlike birthers. Here is the first paragraph of Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874), which birthers cite for their absurd arguments:
“The question is presented in this case, whether, since the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, a woman, who is a citizen of the United States and of the State of Missouri, is a voter in that State, notwithstanding the provision of the constitution and laws of the State, which confine the right of suffrage to men alone. We might, perhaps, decide the case upon other grounds, but this question is fairly made. From the opinion we find that it was the only one decided in the court below, and it is the only one which has been argued here. The case was undoubtedly brought to this court for the sole purpose of having that question decided by us, and in view of the evident propriety there is of having it settled, so far as it can be by such a decision, we have concluded to waive all other considerations and proceed at once to its determination.”
Any first semester, first year law student should be able to state that this paragraph means that by the express words of the decision, the ONLY the Court is deciding is whether a State could restrict voting rights to men. It has abosultely nothing to do with who is a NBC under Article II of the Const.
Now let’s move on to the part of the Minor opinion the birthers love to cite.
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
Notice the last sentence referring to the question of whether a person can become a citizen by being born here even if the parents are not citizens. The Court doesn’t say whether those doubts are correct.
Indeed, the VERY NEXT LINE of the opinion is: “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”
Anybody who is not willfully and/or congenitally ignorant would therefore understand that the Minor Court is expressly NOT making any holding regarding birth citizenship.
Birtherism is to Constitutional scholarship as the game of “Operation” is to neurosurgery.
I’m not really worried about an email from a congress-critter. Bottom line: his eligibility claim stinks on ice and everyone knows it.
“I have a feeling these guys are being blackmailed or something.”
There’s a herd mentality that dominates busy people. They see the herd run in a certain direction and they don’t fight it. If McClintock had seen the actual B.C., then he’d have an important opinion. If he can discredit John Jay’s interpretation of Vattel, then he has an important opinion. Most “legitimizers” are just skimming surface buz, intellectual lightweights on this issue.
Elites and politicians do that all the time-—they “share” their wisdom with the masses, yet there is no substance of philosophy or thinking behind it. Thomas Sowell and Darymple write about the arrogance of elites who have no experience of practice with their “theories” yet treat them as fact. Their “theories” weather like Marx and Bentham’s always destroy societies—they don’t work. Yet textbooks keep quoting the inane theories—like Keynsian economics as fact which is workable, and the only acceptable method which is a lie. Useful idiots always believe it because they have no intellectual knowledge of philosophy...where ideas come from and the causes of history—so they can not discern between the good ideas (like the Founders) or the dysfunctional ones, destruction of all happiness and agency, like Marxism.
But the arrogant elites vote themselves the power, and, they think with it, the mass of serfs. It is all about power and egos. But it only works with the unthinking masses—the ignorant—and that is why our public schools quit teaching and educating in the 30’s. They wanted a populous who couldn’t think, and only acted on “feelings” like Marcuse wanted and the Ayers wanted when they wrote curricula which the Foundations put millions into to brainwash the masses (so tricky!!!!)—so they had their mob Thugocracy—their SIEU, their ACORNS, chicago mafia, so that they could force a fundamental change from our Founding documents.
I do think that opinion is stifled and controlled by the Alinskyite methods of the “free” press. They use it to destroy those who go off the plantation.
They used it to destroy McCarthy—to destroy the “masses” opinion by lies and innuendoes splashed with a little truth. Most people like McClintock have an instinct to avoid pain.....and he is just avoiding the pain of being attacked by MSM and the mobs. He should of just kept quiet on the subject and retained some integrity. How politicians can think they can retain integrity and God’s love by allowing this country to be destroyed by Satanic ideas is beyond me, though. They will have to live with themselves and their children’s loathing when their children discover their acquiescence to evil—the Truth ALWAYS rises to the top—eventually. May be too late for most of us.....but then God always has a plan and will win.
The only reason we still have a modicum of freedom is because of the internet and a few legal brave scholars that fight for the meaning and intent of our Constitution. But even that document would be unrecognizable to all the Founders.
“Thomas Sowell and Darymple write about the arrogance of elites who have no experience of practice with their “theories” yet treat them as fact.”
Sowell really nailed them with “Intellectuals and Society”. That should be mandatory reading in High School. And what a maxim: “No one knows 1% of everything.” Death knoll of intellectual power.
“Their “theories” weather like Marx and Bentham’s always destroy societies—they don’t work. Yet textbooks keep quoting the inane theories—like Keynsian economics as fact which is workable, and the only acceptable method which is a lie.”
We need to stop the brainwashing cycle. Absolutely.
“Useful idiots always believe it because they have no intellectual knowledge of philosophy...where ideas come from and the causes of history—so they can not discern between the good ideas (like the Founders) or the dysfunctional ones, destruction of all happiness and agency, like Marxism.”
Right. President Bush for example. It was easy for corrupt intellectuals to scare him into supporting TARP. He let them lead him via techno-babble. That’s what most moderates and leftists are, followers of cargo cults easily manipulated by snake-oil.
“But the arrogant elites vote themselves the power, and, they think with it, the mass of serfs. It is all about power and egos.”
For example, atheists are better off in religious nations unless they are muslim. The irony is that most atheists support muslims just to tweak Christians. What atheists really want is neighborhoods packed with “free love”. That’s their fantasy. They want it so badly that they are willing to destroy culture via Frankfurt School dogma.
“They wanted a populous who couldn’t think, and only acted on “feelings” like Marcuse wanted ...”
THE NEW DARK AGE
http://home.netcom.com/~ncoic/darkage.htm
The Frankfurt School and “Political Correctness”
[Very powerful article once you get past the weak lament of art, theater, and music.]
“Adorno’s old Kant instructor, now a film theorist; {{Norman O. Brown,}} who would become famous in the 1960’s by combining Marcuse’s hedonism theory with {{Wilhelm Reich’s}} orgone therapy to popularize “polymorphous perversity”; {{Barrington Moore, Jr.,}} later a philosophy professor who would co-author a book with Marcuse; {{Gregory Bateson,}} the husband of anthropologist {{Margaret Mead}} (who wrote for the Frankfurt School’s journal), and {{Arthur Schlesinger,}} the historian who joined the Kennedy Administration ... Marcuse’s wife, worked at the Office of Naval Intelligence [prior to JFK] ...”
“... and the Ayers wanted when they wrote curricula which the Foundations put millions into to brainwash the masses (so tricky!!!!)—so they had their mob Thugocracy—their SIEU, their ACORNS, chicago mafia, so that they could force a fundamental change from our Founding documents.”
“They used it to destroy McCarthy—to destroy the “masses” opinion by lies and innuendoes splashed with a little truth.”
Back to the THE NEW DARK AGE, the Frankfurt School infiltrated our defense and intelligence community as well as Hollywood. They also tested brainwashing techniques:
“... coming to America, he worked for the World War II Office of Strategic Services (OSS), and later became the U.S. State Department’s top analyst of Soviet policy during the height of the McCarthy period; in the 1960’s, he turned again, to become the most important guru of the New Left; and he ended his days helping to found the environmentalist extremist Green Party in West Germany ... After completing studies at the University of Frankfurt, Walter Benjamin planned to emigrate to Palestine in 1924 with his friend {{Gershom Scholem}} (who later became one of Israel’s most famous philosophers, as well as Judaism’s leading gnostic), but was prevented by a love affair with {{Asja Lacis,}} a Latvian actress and Comintern stringer. Lacis whisked him off to the Italian island of Capri, a cult center from the time of the Emperor Tiberius, then used as a Comintern training base; the heretofore apolitical Benjamin wrote Scholem from Capri, that he had found “an existential liberation and an intensive insight into the actuality of radical communism.” Lacis later took Benjamin to Moscow for further indoctrination, where he met playwright {{Bertolt Brecht,}} with whom he would begin a long collaboration; soon thereafter, while working on the first German translation of the drug- enthusiast French poet Baudelaire, Benjamin began serious experimentation with hallucinogens. In 1927, he was in Berlin as part of a group led by Adorno, studying the works of Lukacs; other members of the study group included Brecht and his composer-partner {{Kurt Weill;}} {{Hans Eisler,}} another composer who would later become a Hollywood film score composer and co-author with Adorno of the textbook {Composition for the Film}; the avant-garde photographer {{Imre Moholy-Nagy}}; and the conductor {{Otto Klemperer.}}”
[Brainwashing ...]
“The Rockefeller Foundation enlisted several universities, and headquartered this network at the School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. Named the Office of Radio Research, it was popularly known as “the Radio Project.”
“The director of the Project was {{Paul Lazersfeld,}} the foster son of Austrian Marxist economist Rudolph Hilferding, and a long-time collaborator of the I.S.R. from the early 1930’s. Under Lazersfeld was {{Frank Stanton,}} a recent Ph.D. in industrial psychology from Ohio State, who had just been made research director of Columbia Broadcasting System—a grand title but a lowly position. After World War II, Stanton became president of the CBS News Division, and ultimately president of CBS at the height of the TV network’s power; he also became Chairman of the Board of the RAND Corporation, and a member of President Lyndon Johnson’s “kitchen cabinet.” Among the Project’s researchers were {{Herta Herzog,}} who married Lazersfeld and became the first director of research for the Voice of America; and {{Hazel Gaudet,}} who became one of the nation’s leading political pollsters. Theodor Adorno was named chief of the Project’s music section.
“Despite the official gloss, the activities of the Radio Project make it clear that its purpose was to test empirically the Adorno-Benjamin thesis that the net effect of the mass media could be to atomize and increase lability— what people would later call “brainwashing.”
[unquote — much more depth than this in the expose. Back to you ...]
“Most people like McClintock have an instinct to avoid pain ...” Absolutely. That’s half of the conditioning of Pavlov’s Dogs. A surface knee-jerk response because they have “more serious matters” [or so they think].
“How politicians can think they can retain integrity and God’s love by allowing this country to be destroyed by Satanic ideas is beyond me, though.”
That’s where we differ. I don’t believe McClintock, Boortz, or Beck are consciously empowering evil. They are prioritizing their time the best way they know. As Sowell says, “No one knows 1% of everything.” When I know an anti-leftist is in the wrong, I try to bring him a sting of Truth to balance things out, but the trick is to not alienate them completely.
On the other hand, bear in mind that there are operatives on this very forum who turn other FReepers into useful idiots. And there are set-ups that make easy straw men to tear up. We need to remember how confusing it gets for people. Lord knows, I don’t know HALF of the nuances of certifigate. And few people on the street or in congress have researched it as much as I have. The closer you get to news rooms and the beltway, the harder it is to support the truth. But the good news? This issue is not going away — ever; the truth is not easy to destroy.
“The only reason we still have a modicum of freedom is because of the internet and a few legal brave scholars that fight for the meaning and intent of our Constitution. But even that document would be unrecognizable to all the Founders.”
Actually the sophistication of some coverups requires college level studies. And the awsome thing is how rapidly those studies can be simplified and trumpeted by talented communicators.
This is the Left’s Dunkirk my FRiend, and they don’t even know enough to mobilize yet. They’re still hoping more than thinking.
I do agree with savagesusie (one of the best names!) - they've been threatened and/or blackmailed, just as the Canada Free Press said all the media outlets and talk people etc were threatened. We are in the midst of a coup and the supposed good guys are like neutered bunny rabbits wetting their pants.
(Wildfire, yours is good too but I can't remember what it means - you told me once though.)
You “global citizens” keep on polluting discussion threads with your unsupported and unsupportable opinions (crude propaganda to be sure).
Not one of you has ever posted anything factual or truthful.
I have posted the entire decisions several times recently, and links to the decisions uncountable times. Since you offer nothing, just do your part to self-educate, and search my postings, and you will be blessed.
This tends to go off the subject (like usual for me) but it is so pertinent about the "perceptions" that are created by the MSM.
The intimidation by the MSM is being funded with millions of dollars--probably billions. Doubt, the movie, explains how evil "gossip" operates with the feather analogy.....and illustrates the destruction that can never be repaired completely--never. It is why the Jews classified gossip as such an evil sin even thousands of years ago when mass media and brainwashing was not nearly so effective and controlled by an elite (Marxist) few.
This control of information has been playing for over a hundred years in the US....but we were lulled into believing that US had "truth" and "free press"! That was the Big Lie and lies destroyed many people throughout American's 20th century, or the people were just assassinated, if they didn't shape up to the Marxist worldview and produce what the elites demanded.
We have to destroy the stranglehold Soros-types have on information and reform the public school system they have intentionally destroyed (BK Eakman) to create functionally illiterates so they will fall for the Big Lie and can't see truth and reason if it slapped them in the face! Only local control and parents controlling content can do it. No pervert-islam-controlled content which has been going on for decades.
Internet is a god=send....so was Talk radio.... But the solution is for everyone to take education into their own hands--theirs and their children's.....and eliminate the Marxian content and BF Skinnerean methodologies in all public schools that create group think and dependency. They need to only allow local control of schools--burn all public schools textbooks that determine and force the Marixan worldview and dysfunction and addiction on their children--rid all indoctrination centers for the children.
Put teeth and meaning back into the Rule of Law, particularly the marriage contract--to protect vulnerable children who become prey for the Marxists when not protected by their parents.....you have to protect their minds also--not just body. Get away from this irrational idea of allowing "strangers" to form their worldview in their first seven years of life. This was considered EVIL by all Americans until government indoctrination of the need for government documentation to determine the quality of an educator--parents are stupid. Take back your kid's minds---like the Franklins, Adams, Twains, Wrights, who only allowed family members to form their children's worldview and maybe a pastor.... before they were allowed into the world of "dog eat dog " --so they could be rational and discern the Truth and protect and defend the "fixed beliefs" of the parents. Parental guidance is crucial.
Marxists want 3 year-old preschool because sometimes if parents are doing their job well, it is too hard to corrupt the children--to believe 'up is down'. Read John Dewey--he tells about the "plasticity of the mind" in young children and that government necessity to "shape" that mind so they are "social". Hmmmmmmm
Conspiracy? Absolutely! Lenin wrote about the necessity of controlling the thinking of children to create the future Marxist state where all are serfs--he used Pavlov to help "condition" his children, when he forced mothers into the workplace so they wouldn't interfere with the worldview of his little subjects. All out psychological methods--to control the way you think. BF Skinner's methodologies have been applied to all TV programming.....I used to watch it and could spot it in every single movie....it is intentionally inserted for mind control. We see it worked on the ACORN and SIEU thugs....ideologues do not use reason and intellect and you can have rational discussions with people who don't think. That is the kind of mind our public schools are intentionally putting out. To destroy freedom--to destroy Christianity which gives dignity and worth and morals to the people, and the family unit--the most necessary institutions to protect the developing mind and worldview of a child. The most integral part for the future of society.
“This is one of the reasons that I support Sarah Palin. She has clean hands, and is determined to see this country restored to its Founding Principles. She has not been bought by evil, and built her reputation fighting corruption on both sides of the aisle.”
Governor Palin is with Congressman McClintock on this particular issue:
She called the Obama eligibility issue “distracting” and “annoying.”
http://www.cbs.com/video/video.php?pid=LhhXEBv8Y8IY2xzhJ8GmBn22nNDRct_Q
Savagesusie - great, great points that I know wintertime will like to read. I would so love it if you would write an article with details about all of the above - quotes and such. It would be perfect for FR so people see specifically not just the techniques but the sources of this mindrot.
Mental shackles are the worst. They’re invisible, and people identify with their conditioning.
It’s the most insidious form of Stockholm Syndrome - idenitifying with the brainwashing and mental perversion - “It’s ME! I thought it! I am my thoughts and feelings [that have been inserted by those who hate Truth and God].”
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