Posted on 06/14/2011 4:20:58 PM PDT by parksstp
Okay Folks, Enough is Enough!
I have enjoyed participating in this forum for a long time because I enjoy supporting the conservative values people like JimRob, the Tea Party, and other decent Americans hold dear to. It's obvious we are in the fight of our lives for the long-term survival of this country. 2012 is clearly a major turning poing that could very well decide whether or not America survives.
Because of this importance, it is paramount we select the right candidate, the true conservative that will stand with us on all the conservative specturms (social, economic, domestic, and foreign policy). We absolutely cannot settle for another RINO or Democrat-lite candidate.
Many people here have been passionate in support of "their" candidate. Others have expressed gloom and doom with no hope of survival. Still others have taken the "my candidate or nothing" road. I want to address these.
Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum (listed alphabetically). All of these individuals have strong conservative credentials, and based on what I know, I would feel comfortable and empowered with supporting any of them in a general election against Obama. Nobody is ever perfect, but these four individuals have shown time and time again that they have the character and the heart to direct the country in the "right" direction.
That being said, I have become alarmed and disheartened at the amount of attacks generated against these folks by posters on this board claiming to be conservative. I have seen Michele Bachmann absolutely brutalized for one reason or another, being labeled a "phony, stalking-horse, RINO, inexperienced, unintelligent". I have also seen Herman Cain get hammered as an "Establishment guy, Anti-2nd Amendment, TARP loving RINO". And some people just can't let the whole Santorum/Spector thing rest. It's like many posters for whatever reason want to turn reality on its head.
I know a lot of people on this board like and support Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum. Personally, I really like Michele and her debate performance last night strengthened my opinion of her. As I said before, I could easily support any of them.
I think many of the Palin supporters feel the same way too (that is, if she decided not to jump in, they could support one of the three above without much reservations). And many of us supporting one of the three candidates listed above, could possibly move to the Palin camp if she got in without any problems.
However, there appears to be a strong minority of the Palin supporters on this forum that are trying hard to deliberately suck the life out of any other conservative candidate who might actually be just as able to carry the conservative banner in the 2012 election. The notion of these folks is that Palin is the only "true conservative" who can do no wrong and that any other candidate claiming to be a conservative in this race is simply a "wolf in sheeps clothing", and that we should simply wait for her entry into the race so that she can be rightfully "annoited". After all, they say, once she enters, the debates against the other conservatives will be useless because she is already obviously the winner!
As someone that believes in conservative values and independent thought, I reject this notion and take great offense to the attacks these people have thrown on Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum.
I like Sarah Palin a lot. I love how she has learned to torture the media and turn the game on them. It's clear she is the most charasmatic of all the conservative indiviudals listed. Beleive me, it would be awesome watching her win on Election Night just to see the reaction of the liberal media (I predict Olbermann would hang himself). She's more than capable to be President.
But Sarah Palin isn't the only conservative. And contrary to some people here, she isn't an object to be worshipped. This type of infatuation always leads to disappointment, because NO candidate is perfect.
I like Michelle Bachmann. And I like Herman Cain too. And if either of these individuals ever made it to the WH at the top of a ticket, then I believe are country would be in good shape.
So I'm asking nicely to please, stop the attacks on the other conservatives in this race. These people are not rivals, they're allies. Let them each state their case to the American people, then take a step back, and make a good, rationale, objective decision.
P.S. By "Conservative Candidates" I do not mean Romney or other RINOS (those folks are fair game)
Dang, all I seem to get called is “statist” and “federal boot-licker”....LOL
I haven't the stomach for that. Cults of personality make me queasy.
That's laughable. Palin-worshippers immediately jump on anyone who dares make any sort of criticism of Gov. Palin, or even suggests that she won't be the absolutely best president the United States of America will ever have.
You talk like James Carville.
Actually, I'm kinda looking forward to it.
We could use another bug-zapper thread to get rid of the PDS trolls.
Those who are (and have been) consistently earnest in their support for another GOP candidate, OK; but they ought to learn to present their own favored candidate's positives instead of just tearing down the presumptive favorite.
...and for God's sake, once your talking points have been discredited, STOP repeating them. Repeating them ad nauseum is what real trolls do.
Cheers!
Cheers!
“Dang, all I seem to get called is statist and federal boot-licker....LOL”
You need to raise the level of your game ;-)
Here's an assignment for you, since you seem so "concerned."
Go to the last dozen Palin threads starting yesterday, and pick out each and every post in which someone was accused (as you say) of being "easily lead [sic] around by the nose by the MDM/RNc/DNC's [sic] PR machine."
Then go to the post of the person who WAS accused.
See if they are stating "She can't win" as a fait accompli, or if they also say "polls can be manipulated" or "how do we best fight this" or "I can hardly wait for her movie The Undefeated/i> to turn this around" or "Gee, she hasn't started campaigning yet, no wonder her numbers are so bad" or "we have 17 or 18 months yet."
If none of those themes are extant, it becomes more likely that the speaker is a concern troll.
Cheers!
How often has that factor been given as the deciding reason for rejecting a candidate, other than with Palin?
(Give examples.)
Cheers!
Yes I will pray for Just Lori.
g_w
Friendly advice from a fellow FReeper.
Correction: the first rule about holes is not to *be* one.
The second rule about holes is NOT to get into one.
A picture is worth a thousand words. But sometimes just one.
Cheers!
Michele Bachmann has been endorsed by the freakin NY Times for crying out loud...Does anything more need to be said????
Michele Bachmann is bad news!!!
>>Go to the last dozen Palin threads starting yesterday, and pick out each and every post in which someone was accused (as you say) of being “easily lead [sic] around by the nose by the MDM/RNc/DNC’s [sic] PR machine.”<<
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2734771/posts?page=113#113
The challenge was two-part. One was to identify such a post, the other was then to exclude characteristics of the post based on a set of very specific criteria.
The post you referenced contained that exact criteria - thus failed the “concern troll” test.
Looking at that poster’s history, it seems to have correctly identified that the poster is (not) a concern troll.
Test validated. Seems to have worked exactly as designed in fact.
You finished it. You made my point in such a complete way that I could not possibly enhance it. If you can't see how you did so and IN DOING SO HOW YOU HAVE HURT GOV. PALIN'S CHANCES, there is nothing I can do for you.
I see you high-fiving each other already. You asked a question, I gave fact-based responses and all you had was ad hominem.
You are the embodiment of the underlying point of the OP.
Everyone else with contrary opinions to yours left, you ran the table and cleared the room, your constant and consistent attacks on me personally instead of my arguments stand in perpetuity.
I couldn't help but come back to gloat over my victory.
But this really is my last post on the subject.
No catnip for YOU!
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