Enough is Enough (Vanity)

Right Side of My Brain ^ | 06-14-2011 | Parksstp

[parksstp]

Okay Folks, Enough is Enough!

I have enjoyed participating in this forum for a long time because I enjoy supporting the conservative values people like JimRob, the Tea Party, and other decent Americans hold dear to. It's obvious we are in the fight of our lives for the long-term survival of this country. 2012 is clearly a major turning poing that could very well decide whether or not America survives.

Because of this importance, it is paramount we select the right candidate, the true conservative that will stand with us on all the conservative specturms (social, economic, domestic, and foreign policy). We absolutely cannot settle for another RINO or Democrat-lite candidate.

Many people here have been passionate in support of "their" candidate. Others have expressed gloom and doom with no hope of survival. Still others have taken the "my candidate or nothing" road. I want to address these.

Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum (listed alphabetically). All of these individuals have strong conservative credentials, and based on what I know, I would feel comfortable and empowered with supporting any of them in a general election against Obama. Nobody is ever perfect, but these four individuals have shown time and time again that they have the character and the heart to direct the country in the "right" direction.

That being said, I have become alarmed and disheartened at the amount of attacks generated against these folks by posters on this board claiming to be conservative. I have seen Michele Bachmann absolutely brutalized for one reason or another, being labeled a "phony, stalking-horse, RINO, inexperienced, unintelligent". I have also seen Herman Cain get hammered as an "Establishment guy, Anti-2nd Amendment, TARP loving RINO". And some people just can't let the whole Santorum/Spector thing rest. It's like many posters for whatever reason want to turn reality on its head.

I know a lot of people on this board like and support Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum. Personally, I really like Michele and her debate performance last night strengthened my opinion of her. As I said before, I could easily support any of them.

I think many of the Palin supporters feel the same way too (that is, if she decided not to jump in, they could support one of the three above without much reservations). And many of us supporting one of the three candidates listed above, could possibly move to the Palin camp if she got in without any problems.

However, there appears to be a strong minority of the Palin supporters on this forum that are trying hard to deliberately suck the life out of any other conservative candidate who might actually be just as able to carry the conservative banner in the 2012 election. The notion of these folks is that Palin is the only "true conservative" who can do no wrong and that any other candidate claiming to be a conservative in this race is simply a "wolf in sheeps clothing", and that we should simply wait for her entry into the race so that she can be rightfully "annoited". After all, they say, once she enters, the debates against the other conservatives will be useless because she is already obviously the winner!

As someone that believes in conservative values and independent thought, I reject this notion and take great offense to the attacks these people have thrown on Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum.

I like Sarah Palin a lot. I love how she has learned to torture the media and turn the game on them. It's clear she is the most charasmatic of all the conservative indiviudals listed. Beleive me, it would be awesome watching her win on Election Night just to see the reaction of the liberal media (I predict Olbermann would hang himself). She's more than capable to be President.

But Sarah Palin isn't the only conservative. And contrary to some people here, she isn't an object to be worshipped. This type of infatuation always leads to disappointment, because NO candidate is perfect.

I like Michelle Bachmann. And I like Herman Cain too. And if either of these individuals ever made it to the WH at the top of a ticket, then I believe are country would be in good shape.

So I'm asking nicely to please, stop the attacks on the other conservatives in this race. These people are not rivals, they're allies. Let them each state their case to the American people, then take a step back, and make a good, rationale, objective decision.

P.S. By "Conservative Candidates" I do not mean Romney or other RINOS (those folks are fair game)

[rockrr]

Dang, all I seem to get called is “statist” and “federal boot-licker”....LOL

[FourPeas]

watch the high-fives

I haven't the stomach for that. Cults of personality make me queasy.

[FourPeas]

Troubling this. If posters here cannot deal well with well-intentioned and honest criticism from others on our side, with a love for America in common.

That's laughable. Palin-worshippers immediately jump on anyone who dares make any sort of criticism of Gov. Palin, or even suggests that she won't be the absolutely best president the United States of America will ever have.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

You talk like James Carville.

[grey_whiskers]

You think it’s bad now. Wait until the primary season really heats up. It will be brutal.

Actually, I'm kinda looking forward to it.

We could use another bug-zapper thread to get rid of the PDS trolls.

Those who are (and have been) consistently earnest in their support for another GOP candidate, OK; but they ought to learn to present their own favored candidate's positives instead of just tearing down the presumptive favorite.

...and for God's sake, once your talking points have been discredited, STOP repeating them. Repeating them ad nauseum is what real trolls do.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Cheers!

[Magic Fingers]

“Dang, all I seem to get called is “statist” and “federal boot-licker”....LOL”

You need to raise the level of your game ;-)

[grey_whiskers]

That isn’t addressing the argument, it is attacking the person.

Here's an assignment for you, since you seem so "concerned."

Go to the last dozen Palin threads starting yesterday, and pick out each and every post in which someone was accused (as you say) of being "easily lead [sic] around by the nose by the MDM/RNc/DNC's [sic] PR machine."

Then go to the post of the person who WAS accused.

See if they are stating "She can't win" as a fait accompli, or if they also say "polls can be manipulated" or "how do we best fight this" or "I can hardly wait for her movie The Undefeated/i> to turn this around" or "Gee, she hasn't started campaigning yet, no wonder her numbers are so bad" or "we have 17 or 18 months yet."

If none of those themes are extant, it becomes more likely that the speaker is a concern troll.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

it could be as simple as you don’t like her voice

How often has that factor been given as the deciding reason for rejecting a candidate, other than with Palin?

(Give examples.)

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Saw your tagline.

Yes I will pray for Just Lori.

g_w

[grey_whiskers]

The first rule about getting out of a hole is to stop digging.

Friendly advice from a fellow FReeper.

Correction: the first rule about holes is not to *be* one.

The second rule about holes is NOT to get into one.

A picture is worth a thousand words. But sometimes just one.

Cheers!

[SoConPubbie]

She quit her Governor position and that makes her look like a quitter. Her toying with the media, as satisfying it is to those of here at FR, looked adolescent after she made her point. These may all have good explanations, but they are facts nonetheless. Closing your eyes to political truths accomplishes nothing.

Those aren't facts, their your opinions, shared by the Left Wing and those in the GOP ELite circled.

[SoConPubbie]

your facts are not facts. They are leftwing spin. Palin is not polarizing anymore than any conservative or for that matter liberal is. It you want a non-polarizing candidate you will need to find some moderate somewhere that has never taken a stand on any issue. the ‘mistakes” made if any during her run as VP were a matter of McCain's staff. They set up the interviews, they prepped her for those interviews, they decided who she talked with, where she went, what she wore, what she ate.

What's wrong Freedumb2003, no reply?

Running away from the fight?

Cat got your tongue?

You started this whole debate, try finishing it.

[Friendofgeorge]

Michele Bachmann has been endorsed by the freakin NY Times for crying out loud...Does anything more need to be said????

Michele Bachmann is bad news!!!

[SoConPubbie]

That's laughable. Palin-worshippers immediately jump on anyone who dares make any sort of criticism of Gov. Palin, or even suggests that she won't be the absolutely best president the United States of America will ever have.

What's laughable is your effort to falsely accuse Palin supporters of jumping on/attacking those posters who choose to either:

1. Falsely accuse Sarah of some imagined purpose or lack of character in her actions. As if they can read the heart and mind of Sarah
2. Repeat some negative opinion started by some left-wing media organization or some DNC operative
3. Or simply try to hold either Sarah or her supporters to some standard they are not willing to live up to themselves, like not responding attacks that are either lacking in objectivity, downright lies, or purposefully misleading or lacking in historical context.

[freedumb2003]

>>Go to the last dozen Palin threads starting yesterday, and pick out each and every post in which someone was accused (as you say) of being “easily lead [sic] around by the nose by the MDM/RNc/DNC’s [sic] PR machine.”<<

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2734771/posts?page=113#113

[SoConPubbie]

It looks like I don’t have to.

res ipsa loquitur

You keep posting things that you think support your position and they really don't make sense from a logical or factual point of view.

Kind of like that line from the Princess Bride:

"You keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means".

Nobody is calling you names, they are describing your behavior or are pointing out the fallacies in your points.

Once again, grow up and get a thicker skin if you are going to engage in the debate.

You have a posting history that anyone and everyone can see by clicking on your name that shows a lot of negative opinions about Sarah Palin that cannot objectively be backed-up with historical facts or even logic. You get challenged routinely and then you play the victim card.

I hope you aren't expecting any different results if you keep this behavior up, you will be disappointed if you are.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

The challenge was two-part. One was to identify such a post, the other was then to exclude characteristics of the post based on a set of very specific criteria.

The post you referenced contained that exact criteria - thus failed the “concern troll” test.

Looking at that poster’s history, it seems to have correctly identified that the poster is (not) a concern troll.

Test validated. Seems to have worked exactly as designed in fact.

[freedumb2003]

You started this whole debate, try finishing it.

You finished it. You made my point in such a complete way that I could not possibly enhance it. If you can't see how you did so and IN DOING SO HOW YOU HAVE HURT GOV. PALIN'S CHANCES, there is nothing I can do for you.

I see you high-fiving each other already. You asked a question, I gave fact-based responses and all you had was ad hominem.

You are the embodiment of the underlying point of the OP.

Everyone else with contrary opinions to yours left, you ran the table and cleared the room, your constant and consistent attacks on me personally instead of my arguments stand in perpetuity.

I couldn't help but come back to gloat over my victory.

But this really is my last post on the subject.

[grey_whiskers]

You didn't do the rest of the assigment.

No catnip for YOU!