Posted on 11/23/2010 10:29:06 AM PST by JoeA
A low day for Rush.
The contrail/missile debate has become sort of a religious debate with both sides pretty dug in. Its now like global warming on the left - if you don’t express belief it was a missile you get cast out of the flock.
In this case, I’m happy to be out of the flock. Must be that I’m just a government-loving toady who can’t handle the truth. /s
Did Rush really say that? I’ve been listening today.. I didn’t hear that. Must have stepped away for moment...
Sheesh... not you too, Rush?
Our lone voice of sanity in this crazy world... with a RUSHBO sized tin foil hat. :-(
No doubt looking for his Illudium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator...
Seriously, some people need to get their faces out of their monitors and look up in the sky every once in a while, especially at sunrise and sunset. It’s a fairly common occurrence in fly-over country where most of the planes are at cruising altitude and the humidity is higher.
You couldn’t be more wrong on the TSA front. Liberalism is why little childern and great-grandmothers are being felt up. Do you honestly believe that selective profiling is wrong? It is liberal fear of profiling that has produce this onslaught on everyday American’s civil rights.
You mean you aren’t hanging onto his every word as if it were pure gold?
You're only 'crazy' if you can't look at that photo and say... it could JUST as easily be a plane.
Note that the clouds at the bottom appear to have been there AWHILE.. since they are being dispersed by winds. Missiles don't stay in the air long enough for that to happen.
Why would anyone believe the government over what they see with their own eyes?
The same way Jane’s instantly became the Weekly World News the moment Doug Richardson said is was absolutely a missile.
These threads are very similar to the initial threads in March when the Norks sank the Cheonan. A lot of the same posters were involved too.
The similarity is even more interesting given the events of this morning.
Ah, yes. The good old "corkscrew effect." Somehow that has become accepted as "characteristic" of rocket launches. It's bullshit.
Suffice it to say that rockets under proper guidance do not go corkscrewing through the air after launch.
Not to say that it never happens....
I actually had one guy tell me on this forum that the fact that no air traffic controllers say they saw the missle on radar is proof that it was a missle!
I didn't even bother to respond. Some people are just lost. Bring the proof please, Rush.
It is very clear to me that these same posters have an agenda. Nothing to see here, move along, believe whatever the government tells you to believe, move along...
What goes up must come down. Where did the missile splash, and why is there no record of a missile launch registered by any satellite?
Flightaware.com will show you flight paths for EVERY flight over X number of days.
Check it out.
Today, Rush was talking about an Arab called Mansour who was supposedly Taliban, and was paid big American and Nato money to negotiate a peace with Prez Kharzai(sp?) in Afghanistan, even visited Kharzai’s palace, and turns out Mansour was an imposter, and has “taken the money and run”. People were asking how could this imposter get away with it, and Rush’s answer, we preently have an imposter in the WH who is getting away with it. Go Rush!!!
Would it be embarrassing for Obama, if it were proven to have been a missile launch?
Has Obama ever lied to the American People?
How would Americans respond if they knew for a fact that a foreign missile was launched near our soil........ on Obama’s watch?
While I won’t argue the certainty of what it was or wasn’t, for me, there are just too many reasons why I am unable to believe ANYTHING that comes from the Obama administration.
It just seems to me you can see where the smoke is coming from to long to be a missile, Those things are so fast they are gone in seconds, this object seems to be working its way along.
One thing is for sure, your eyes can lie to you, magicians prove that over and over...
( I hate magicians) :P
Everyone on this thread is wrong. The answer is here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2631987/posts
Conservatives like to see things as black or white with no shades of gray. There is conflicting evidence for both positions. Missile experts still aren't certain what this was based on the limited video.
If you notice in that corkscrew screenshot at the base you can see a thick marine layer *behind* the plume. For that to be an airliner contrail that marine layer would have to be higher than 40,000 ft, which doesn't usually occur. There is very little weather above 40,000 ft. other than whispy clouds and occasional towering thunderstorms, not thick stratus clouds.
Then there's this:
NOTICE TO MARNERS
No. 45
06 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
SECTION III NM 45/10
NAVAREA XII
The summary of all NAVAREA XII messages in force as of 17 December 2009 is given in Section III of NM 52/09.
Warnings issued during the subsequent quarters are issued in NM 13/10, 26/10 and 39/10.
NAVAREA XII WARNINGS issued from 211100Z to 281230Z October 2010.
430/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
ORDNANCE.
1. UNDERWATER ORDNANCE DETONATIONS IN PROGRESS
UNTIL 281159Z OCT IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 22-05N 162-00W, 22-05N 165-00W,
21-55N 170-01W, 21-20N 170-00W,
21-29N 164-59W, 21-29N 162-00W.
B. 20-58N 162-00W, 20-56N 164-58W,
20-48N 170-00W, 20-14N 169-58W,
20-22N 164-57W, 20-25N 162-00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 281259Z OCT.
(221414Z OCT 2010)
431/10(GEN).
1. NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE 230900Z OCT 10. ONLY THOSE
MESSAGES ISSUED DURING THE LAST SIX WEEKS ARE LISTED HEREIN.
2010 SERIES: 403(19), 424(18), 427(18), 430(19).
2. THE SUMMARY OF ALL NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE AS OF
17 DEC 09 IS GIVEN IN SEC III OF NM 52/09. WARNINGS
ISSUED DURING THE SUBSEQUENT QUARTERS ARE SUMMARIZED
IN NM 13/10, 26/10 AND 39/10.
3. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 426/10.
(230926Z OCT 2010)
432/10. CANCELED.
433/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
MISSILES.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 290130Z TO 290700Z OCT,
ALTERNATE 300200Z TO 300730Z AND
310230Z TO 310800Z OCT
IN AREA BOUND BY
22-00N 159-46W, 22-07N 160-25W,
23-07N 161-49W, 24-25N 162-27W,
29-56N 170-20W, 32-47N 169-47W,
35-34N 164-15W, 36-03N 162-31W,
31-30N 161-28W, 27-00N 162-00W,
24-11N 160-10W, 22-39N 159-36W,
22-10N 159-44W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 310900Z OCT.
(240828Z OCT 2010)
434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
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