Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
What you are seeing in these recent posts is spill over from Darwin Central.
If anyone wants to know what it’s like over there, that’s it.
Good old Lazarus Long. I like the description in his wiki entry:
A rugged individualist with a distrust of authority, Lazarus drifts from colony world to colony world, settling down for a few years or a few decades and leaving when things get too regimented for his taste—often just before the angry mob arrives.
A very wise decision. My advice is to spend less time (as YHAOS puts it) feeding the trolls, and more time posting Creation/Christian Right articles on FR. That way you get to proclaim the truth and drive the evos nuts at the same time. And while they are busy working themselves into a frenzy on your last post, you are already posting the next one :o)
PS Excellent post btw. Speaks for itself if you asked me.
I liked you better when you were "witnessing" down at the bus station. Do I hear an amen?
Speaking of answers and dissing someone for not giving them, there are several you have not answered either.
Post 201 by Yhaos.
Mine, like in posts 52, 53, 69, 91, 93, 95,104, 105,108, 114, 132, to name a few.
As far as transitionals, IIRC, you brought the subject up and then demanded that I provide the definition. When you bring it up, it's up to you to define it.
That said, I'm well aware of the definition games that evos play. They demand definitions from others that they can't even provide themselves. Ask 30 evos for a definition of species and you'll get 30 different answers running from *they can't interbreed* to *every creature on the planet is a different species.*
Same sort of nonsense with transitionals. Evos have claimed that every fossil found is technically a transitional.
I know better than to get sucked into the definition game. No matter what I propose, you'll find something wrong with it. Since evos demand the right for scientists to define scientific terms, it's up to them to decide what a species is. When they figure it out, get back to me.
Honestly, that means a lot coming from you. It’s obvious that I need to post and walk away... post and walk away.
A doctor should never get personally involved with his patients (of course I’m not a doctor and I have very little patience).
God bless.
GG
I gave you the clue but you remain clueless. Start with Phylogenetic Taxonomy and Morphological Data Matrices. I don't care how "evos" define transitional species, I just want to know how you do so that we can share a common starting point.
In this post, you were criticizing e-s for not being able to define what a transitional species was.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2400239/posts?page=307#307
So, I asked you, or challenged you, to provide a better one.
As of yet, you have not. You just threw it back to me and refused to answer like you have all the other questions you’ve been asked.
Much like other evos on these threads, now that I think about it....
An origin story beginning with a singularity is not ex nihilo. It relies on space, time and physical causation.
That is the weakness of all such theories (inflationary, multi-verse, multi-world, ekpyrotic, cyclic, imaginary time, etc.) Because of the CMB measurements, we know the universe is expanding, i.e. that there was a beginning of real space and real time.
As Jastrow said (paraphrased) that was the most theological statement ever to come out of modern science.
“Start with Phylogenetic Taxonomy and Morphological Data Matrices. “
That’s just evo-athiest brainwashing! Real Christians use baraminology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baramin).
I’m not going to play that game. If you can’t define what you claim doesn’t exist ornthe necessari specificity to establish commonality don’t waste any more of my time. If you are serious about learning the difference let me know and I will provide you with somenfood material (I promise it will not make you burn in hell).
[[You want to tell the mods that Natural Law and Buck W are one in the same or should I? You can play tattletale if you like. I don’t mind.]]
You’re kidding? Well- that explains a lot- now that you mention it- the tone of the two pesonalities was indeed much the same- hmmm- lol- that takes the cake
Tell the mods whatever you like. I have faith that they are a whole lot smarter than you. In fact, I copied them on an earlier response and invtied them to investigate the alleged conspiracy. I’ m still here.
[[These sorts of threads always seem to degenerate into a name-calling contest (Pawn of Satan!...)
Comeon, admit it, you drink goats bload on halloween and during winter solstace- You probably kick newborn kittens too (but only on days that you’re feelign generous)
did i say I was gonna tell the mods anythign buck? Er- Natural buck, er Natural.W, er- oh just forget it
[[As for myself, I have a small confession to make. In some arguments I have actually...
(drum roll, please)
admitted to making a mistake.]]
I wish I knew what that felt like so I could sympathise, but I don’t, so I can’t
“This oddity has convinced me that, on some psychological level, creationists don’t really believe in creation, or disbelieve in evolution, as much as they think they do. If it were otherwise they would behave very differently from the way they do. They would not be eagerly attempting to establish the precedent that it is only “fair” to include “both” creation and evolution. First this represents an intellectual relativism which they do not accept as a general principle; and second they would hold out for defeating evolution on scientific merit, so that it would justifiably be excluded.
It’s clear to me — even if they don’t admit it to themselves — that most creationists know deep down that evolution is in fact a strong theory, and creationism a weak one.”
Bingo! Great post.
Well, yeah, I knew that.
Which is one reason why science has nothing better to offer.
What they propose doesn’t even work under their conditions.
Bzzzttttt....
Wrong.
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