Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
What a though the looking glass post, Metmom.
Science has some hypotheses about how life originated but there is not enough evidence yet to firmly support any of them. It doesn’t pretend that the first cells ‘just pooped’ into existence, it openly admits that it doesn’t have the answer but it is working hard to find out.
Compare and contrast that with creationists. They are the ones who say life ‘just pooped’ into existence at the command of a supernatural entity and they are the ones who say they have all the answers; ‘God did it’.
It’s not my intention to dent your belief. Reason is a poor tool for working with faith. If you can conjur up an almighty being that created everything in the universe and who has a overbearing interest in when I have sex with my wife, what type of fabrics I wear and when I can beat my slave, then you can surely conjur up any amount of answers to any reasonable argument put to you.
If having faith works for you, then I wish you well in it.
Reasoned out of belief in God? Whose reasoning would be sufficiently authoritative and superior to an angel from heaven?
Archeology has also validated elements of Homer’s account of the siege of Troy. Are you going to use some of that REASON to assume that the Greek gods were actual divine beings?
In any case, there’s plenty of discrepencies between archeology and events from the Bible.
Apparently, you have a lot more evolving to do. We will place a pod beneath your bed tonight...
You began a thread with an inflammatory title and then went on to profess that anyone who believes in evolution is essentially an atheist. You then back away from responsibility for your statements if your generalization actually applied to anyone or group like the Catholic Church. I clearly explained how your statements were damning to the largest Christian denomination and you still deny responsibility. Seems to me like denial isn't just the river in Egypt. Maybe you should spend some time with my priest....LOL
GG: Do you think Catholics are Christians?
Of course there is zero comparison between Homer’s works and the Bible - either in length, depth, time of authorship, subject matter, or impact on the world.
Name the archaeological discoveries which have discredited the Biblical record.
Unfortunately, there are a couple of fatal errors to your post.
#1 You appropriate “Christianity” to mean your version of creationist, fundamentalist Christianity, presuming that one cannot believe in Christianity and evolution.
#2 You go into the realm of “creation science” by claiming a “full frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin” - which really is a barely veiled assault on centuries, even millenia of reason, research, and philosophy.
The hysterical attack by “creation science” folks on the theory of evolution advances neither science nor religion - it is an attack from those who presume religious purity on those whom they deem less pure than themselves.
The premise of your posted article is ignorant on grounds of faith & reason - and is the constant reminder that whether here in America, or in Afghanistan religious fundamentalism must never achieve political dominance, because it destroys both faith and reason.
” I just think it would be nice if the Evos and Atheists were respectful of Christians while on this site. “
I’m an “evo” (to use your silly term) and a Christian. Should I be conflicted?
There's an understatement if I ever heard one. Science isn't even close to having the answers yet, and hard as they work, there's never going to be any way for science to determine the answers because dealing with origins is dealing with something that cannot be observed, tested, or repeated. You cannot apply the scientific method to the topic. It is and always will be a philosophical consideration. For scientists to pretend that science is going to provide the answers to origins, be it life or the universe, demonstrates a fair degree of delusion on their part.
Compare and contrast that with creationists. They are the ones who say life ‘just pooped’[sic] into existence at the command of a supernatural entity and they are the ones who say they have all the answers; ‘God did it’.
As opposed to the current *scientific* scenario that everything kind of *‘just pooped’[sic] into existence* all by it little self, out of something called singularity, out of nothing , from nowhere, for as yet unknown and inexplicable reason?
And all by itself, set up its own laws by which to operate and then in violation of those laws, formed itself into stars, planets, globular clusters, and galaxies, and then all by itself gave rise to coded, information carrying DNA that evolved itself into sentient life?
Sure, I'll contrast that to believing that God did it and laugh at the absurdity of those who mock the idea of a creator as being unreasonable.
What science proposes now is pure speculation and hasn't passed beyond the level of science fiction.
So, remind me again that thinking that order and complexity demand an intelligent cause or creator, *Goddidit* as it were, is laughable?
What anti-Catholic bigotry?
As opposed to the anti-Protestant bigotry displayed in YOUR post? Like this....It is important to note that at the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence Catholics could not hold office, exercise the franchise, educate their children in their faith, or worship in public in the colonies by edict of the Protestant Parliament and assemblies. I get a sense that many on FR would love to return to that state.
How long a list do you want?
The dates for Exodus and the conquest of the Holy land is not consistent in the bible and not supported by archaeological evidence wither in Egypt or in the Holy land.
1) The archaeological data for conditions in Egypt do not coincide with the plagues of Egypt described in Exodus.
2) The archaeological evidence does not support Jericho being a walled city at the time of Joshua's conquest of it.
3) The archaeological evidence does not support Ai being a walled city at the time of Joshua's conquest of it.
If you want a lot more and thoroughly footnoted evidence buy the book; A New Approach to the Chronology of Biblical History from Abraham to Samuel by Dr. Aardsma. ) There are major conflicts with the chronology of Judges and 1 Samuel (which both conflict with archaeological data).
Well, that definitely seems to be the way things are going nowadays.
This is the kind of mess you get into when universal, "objective" Truth is denied.
Like they are trying to do at the University of East Anglia, climate-change division....
I do not think it possible that a computer model can reliably simulate Truth. What human being could possibly write an algorithm for that in the first place???
Thank you so much for your insights, dear metmom! Great post!
And if you can conjure up an elaborate story about the way life came about with a microscope and a few dry bones, then more power to you.
I have to tell you, though... you’ve got a lot more at stake if you’re wrong than do I.
God bless.
GG
You just proved that, while you don't have to be dumb to act dumb, it helps.
“What anti-Catholic bigotry? “
Do you deny that there is anti-Catholic bigotry on FR? Can you answer this question: Are Catholics Christian?
“Whose reasoning would be sufficiently authoritative and superior to an angel from heaven?”
Whose, indeed... I am willing to listen to arguments knowing that there is no reasonable response to the truth of God that would adequately defend their position. Seems the more the evolutionists reason, the more obvious it is the playground their minds occupy. It’s a shame they couldn’t spend all that mental anguish investigating the Word of God and comparing it to what science has truly shown. Their answers would be much different, I expect.
God bless.
GG
Are you contending that none of this is true or simply whining that sometimes the truth hurts?
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