Posted on 12/04/2009 9:55:41 PM PST by Gordon Greene
Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).
(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)
Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,
My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:
I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.
My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:
I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.
Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…
You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.
From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.
You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.
Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.
Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!
Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…
“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:
A. Denies the existence of God.
B. Denies His relevance.
C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.
Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”
That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.
If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.
Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)
6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Romans 1:22 (New International Version)
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Thank you for injecting a breath of fresh air and restoring a dose of sanity to this thread.
“’I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, “that they may be seen of men” ‘ - Nelly Custis-Lewis, granddaughter of George Washington “
Excellent post. Thank you and God bless.
GG
And, particularly thanks to John Leland 1789 for making known the availability of the material.
Yet another example of you tossing a firebomb and then pussing out when called on it...kind of like this whole thread.
If you are tired of responding, stop letting your mouth write checks that your butt can't cash.
Done.
Thanks for the memories.
When you spread all of that Bullsh*t you have to expect flies......
Thanks for proving my point.
“Not all scientists agree that all parts of Evolution are scientifically sound.”
Good thing all Christians agree on everything - otherwise I’d be able to poke holes in your argument.
“Human Evolution is one of biggest scams in history other than global warming.”
Global warming is false science - Just like “creation science” is false science.
Human evolution is a theory - with research, study and information backing it up - and the research and study continues. Intellectual giants have pondered this and continue to do so. You calling it a “scam” is rather humorous, unless, of course you wish to claim intellectual gigantitude for yourself, or anyone on your side. There are no intellectual giants on your side.
So - believe in creationism - as faith.....leave the science to the folks who know what they are doing.
“In our Richmond there is much fanaticism, but chiefly among the women. They have their night meetings and prayer parties, where, attended by their priests, and sometimes by a hen-pecked husband, they pour forth the effusions of their love to Jesus, in terms as amatory and carnal, as their modesty would permit them to use a mere earthly lover.”
I would have to see more, and know the source.
Are some bringing up the Deist thing among some of our founders to insist that they were anti-Christian, or hostile to Christianity?
Benjamin Franklin, on the morning of June 20th, 1787 gave an address to the Constitutional Convention in which he said,
“I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth-—that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that ‘Except the Lord build the house they labor in vain that build it.’ I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel. We shall be dived by our little, partial, local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves become a reproach and by-word down to future ages. And, what is worse, mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate circumstance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war, and conquest.
“I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessingon on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.”
THE CHRISTIAN LIFE AND CHARACTER . . . , Banjamin Morris, 1864, p. 299.
Deists do not believe that God intervenes in the affairs of men.
Thomas Jefferson’s first message as president includes these words:
“I shall need the favor of that Being, in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land, and planted them in a Country flowing with all the necessities and Comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence, and our riper years with His wisdom and power; and to whose goodness I ask you to join with me in supplications that He will so enlightn the minds of your servants, guide their counsels, and prosper their measures, and whatsoever they do shall result in your good and shall secure to you the friendship and approbation of all nations.
“Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure, when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are th gifts of God?-—that they are not to be violated except with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
Sure I can.
But biologists have never demonstrated anything beyond variation. They’ve never demonstrated the major kinds of changes that they claim happened to produce life on this planet.
And it doesn’t matter how the tweak and manipulate the definition of the word *species*.
The Bible, prayer, and creationism were part of public education for centuries in this country with no deleterious effect on either education or scientific research.
People are fighting the exclusion of those things. They’re not asking for them to be introduced as if it’s something new. They’re asking for it to be put back, as it was for centuries before it got forced out.
Can YOU see the difference? Most evos can’t.
Like you did with me and the slurs of anti-Catholicism?
Evos sure project a lot.
Speaking of writing checks that you can't cash.
There are several comments you made that I requested sources that you provide to back up your comments. Where are the sources? Having trouble finding them?
“’I should have thought it the greatest heresy to doubt his firm belief in Christianity. His life, his writings, prove that he was a Christian. He was not one of those who act or pray, “that they may be seen of men” ‘ - Nelly Custis-Lewis, granddaughter of George Washington”
Your post... “He was not one of those who act or pray” Thanks for proving my point””
Geez... you have no morals. You even took that quote out of context.
In my book, you’re right up there with the likes of Natural Law/Buck W.
Done as well.
God bless.
GG
“So - believe in creationism - as faith.....leave the science to the folks who know what they are doing.”
You don’t mean like this, do you?
Studies examine withholding of scientific data among researchers, trainees
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565120/posts
It May Look Authentic; Here’s How to Tell It Isn’t
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563746/posts
Most scientific papers are probably wrong
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1473528/posts
Most Science Studies Appear to Be Tainted By Sloppy Analysis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1896333/posts
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124&ct=1
I refuse to aknowledge those guys anymore. Life is to short to sweat the little minds.
The only source the guy has is the urban dictionary... I’ve never seen a source either.
God bless you, my friend. There are some good folks on here and you’re way at the top of the list of good folks.
GG
I'll provide sources and answers when you do. I have at least a half a dozen outstanding requests to you over the last week that have been ignored. The ball is in your court.
“You don’t mean like this, do you?”
Make your point with excerpts from your links......in the ones I checked there was a happy ending, scientifically speaking in each one.
It's not hard to set up on a remote server either.
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