Posted on 09/15/2009 2:26:29 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater
A few quick snippets... Judge David Carter, Central District of California, ordered early discovery; Obama has 30 days to produce his records, including his hospital, birth certificate, name of doctor, and all of the signatures.
(Excerpt) Read more at mediamattersaction.org ...
Bump for important news from Unspun.
Well done Mate.
So in 31 days, when nothing happens, can we please give up on this stupid, embarrassing crap?
Then defend it and all the clauses therein, including the natural born citizen clause -- unless of course you think that it is a living document like Obama's story which changes everyday.
You are being lead down a rabbit-hole with the birther stuff.
Oh so you have seen Obama's birth certificate or have firm evidence that he is a natural born citizen. Please post for us his birth certificate or his SR511 [as the Senate drew up for McCain] or other evidence that he was born of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.
It's a trap.
So requiring officeholders to prove that they are eligible is a trap??? Get real.
Dedicate your efforts toward more productive efforts.
This is productive or you wouldn't be so worried.
Go after those who control the message- Big Media.
You mean that Big Media that won't report the truth about the fact that Barak Obama is not a natural born citizen??? That big media???
Birthers have become synonymous with Truthers.
Oh really??? What part of the Truther's claims originated in the Constitution??? Get an education before you mouth a talking point.
You've lost, right or wrong.
No. We're right. You're lost and You're wrong.
Don't taint the rest of us
Your post has already done that for me.
(by the way, WE are winning our fight against the socialists)
Nice Try. The socialists are losing the battle for truth on this issue and your pretentiousness is so apparent.
and you are a useful idiot.
No -- look in the mirror and you will see what one looks like.
Well, as you seem to trust WND.
WND has NO credibility on this issue. If it is sensational, they run with it. Even if it means they run with an OPPOSITE story tomorrow.
Which one? And by whom?
“Dog says,Then he’s constitutionally eligible to be POTUS/CINC
Dog, you are off-base. If the POTUS Team presents the long form BC, etc. etc., it still leaves the question of “Natural Born Citizenship,” as required by the Constitution wide open. “
Let me clarify:
What I was intending to write, but apparently failed to convey is that if he produces the BC and it is show to have both father and mother as US Citizens AND that he was born on US territory, (Natural Born Citizen) Then he’s constitutionally eligible to be POTUS/CINC. If not, then he’s Not.
Sorry for the confusion.
And we have such high standards for Attorney General in recent times, with such notable high performing legal minds as Janet Reno, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Mukasey and now, Eric Holder.
They both say TER
Is it at all possible that the Kenyans, as a colony of Britain in 1961, might use a certificate similar to that of Australia, also a former colony? Maybe they even modeled it after Southern Australian certificates, because they’re so nifty. You seem to be an authority on Australian certificates, but what’s needed here is an authority on Kenyan certificates, which you are not nor do you claim to be. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m skeptical of the thing myself, for various reasons. But merely looking like a birth certificate from a different jurisdiction is not sufficient to negate its putative validity. Butterfly ballots from South Florida in 2000 were remarkably similar to butterfly ballots from Cook County, Illinois, after all. But that doesn’t mean they were forgeries.
I'm trying to stop you making fools of yourselves, but you know what, go ahead. Believe any fake you want as long as it matches what you want to believe.
There was a time when conservatives based their views on the facts, not on the way they'd like the world to be. The alleged Kenyan birth certificate is demonstrably a copy of an Australian birth certificate. This is a fact and I've provided plenty of evidence for the fact. I'm not going to waste my time looking for Kenyan birth certificates when I already know the thing is a copy based on an Australian birth certificate.
You want to try and prove it's genuine, you go and look for Kenyan birth certificates. I'm pretty sure you won't find one that looks like the Bomford certificate because they don't exist. They didn't look like that. Kenyan birth certificates are not virtually identical to South Australian birth certificates printed by the South Australian government printer in Adelaide. I'm sorry that's hard for you to accept, but I can't change the facts to match the way you'd like the world to be.
PLESE PING ME, UNSPUN!
> What pray tell is the plan if Obama produces the documents, and they are in good order before the court...
or the procedures that are to be followed if he doesn’t? Now that he is the sitting President - if he is found ineligible, what would be the process for removal? I don’t recall ever reading what the mechanics are for removal of a President under these circumstances - or even if there are any.
Look at the pixels. Are they the same? No. What does that prove - that the colours and patterns of lines that appear in a picture on a computer differ depending on colour depth and compression algorithm used. Therefore relying on the colour of pixels seen under a high zoom ratio as some sort of evidence that a picture has been faked is not a reliable approach.
If the picture has been saved as either a jpg or a gif, you can guarantee that some pixels will not reflect true colour. These are the most common image types used on the net. If you are extremely careful using bmp or (I think) tif and you have an exceptionally high quality scanner, you can produce images that keep all their fidelity, but they wind up being huge file sizes which is why we don’t use them very often.
Most of the time none of this matters - but if people are going to start trying to work out if an image is real or fake based on looking at little sections of it, they really do need to learn some of the basic ideas involved in the forensic analysis of such things - not just assume they know it all. I only know the basics myself and the only reason I really know that is because I once queried a photo reconnaisance expert as to why they were still relying on making numerous copies of images through a photographic process rather than just scanning them and distributing them by computers - back then when 400MB was a large hard drive, the issues of compression mattered a lot.
You say you have seen many Kenya BCs. So far, I have seen various Kenya Colony BCs, but so far no contemporaneous Mombasa Protectorate of Kenya certifications of birth, like the Lavender document, as opposed Kenya Colony birth certificates like the ones WND incorrectly tries to compare to the Lavender birth certification document.
Mombassa Protectorate was not the same legal entity as Kenya Colony and could easily have had distinctive birth certification documents and those documents could even have been designed by a colonial functionary who came from South Australia and used a form he was familiar with as a general, but not exact template.
If you have contemporaneous images of Mombasa Protectorate of Kenya certifications of birth (not Kenya Colony ones) that can be compared to the Lavender certification of birth, purportedly from 1964, I would be very interested. If not, I thing you have overstated your case that the Lavender document is a fake because it is very similar but not exactly the same as the South Aussie ones.
On August 25, 2009, Wiki had a color-coded global map of countries using different date formats (search wiki date format) and Kenya jumped out all by itself (in purple) as using two formats, one of which matched Lucas Smith’s Obama Kenya Birth Certificate.
List of the world locations by date format in use as of (8/25/09) was:
Kenya (d/m/yyyy and m/d/yyyy)
On August 27, 2009 an Obama supporter named Mystlylplx edited the Wiki date format page to show Kenya as only using dd/mm/yyyy and admitted it in Lucas Smith’s video comments. The Mystlylplx edits are also recorded in the Wiki record of edits for the date format page. As of Sep 10, 2009 the dual date formats for Kenya have been restored to the dual dates that had been shown August 25, 2009:
Kenya (dd/mm/yyyy)or (mm/dd/yyyy) and the map on the page shows Kenya in purple as a dual date format country.
I suspect that Obama supporters will continue to attempt to edit the Wiki page to undermine the Lucas Smith BC.
Let's start with the basics. Australian law completely split from British law in 1942 - up until that date, the British Parliament still had the power (it hadn't been exercised on domestic matters in years) to pass laws for Australia. If Australia's laws on birth certificates were pre-1942, it would be possible that the same laws might have applied to the Dominion of Australia and the Colony of Kenya. But they don't - they date from the 1950s. Australian law has never had an impact on Kenyan.
Initially when I first saw the alleged certificate, I did wonder if it was possible that Kenya had obtained birth certificates from Australia. It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility than a British colony might contract out government printing to somewhere else in the Commonwealth. But there is no evidence that's the case.
Now, if we were just talking about the fact that a Kenyan birth certificate bore a strong resemblance to a generic South Australian birth certificate, that might not worry me so much. Even without evidence that Kenya obtained certificates from Australia, that possibility couldn't be ruled out. But it doesn't just bear a strong resemblance to a generic South Australian birth certificate. It bears a strong resemblance to one particular South Australian birth certificate - that of David Bomford. The idea that Barack Obama just so happens to have a birth certificate with the same identification numbers (two separate and distinct identification numbers in two separate locations) as one of the only two South Australian birth certificates that appear to have been online at the time this alleged Kenyan certificate appeared, beggars belief.
There's also the added factor that both certificates carry the same notation in their top left corner - 7s 6d. In Australia, that notation makes perfect sense - 7 shillings and 6 pence (a shilling had 12 pence, so 6 pence was half a shilling and was a common denomination). In Kenya however, it makes no sense. From 1921-1966, Kenya used the British East African shilling but it had 100 cents - 7s 6c, might make some sense, but would make about as much sense as a official government document costing $12.13 in the US - it's not a commonplace price, not easily managed as a unit price. And having seen a number of Kenyan birth certificates, and I have seen some, I've never seen one that came close to looking like an Australian certificate.
Maybe they even modeled it after Southern Australian certificates, because they’re so nifty. You seem to be an authority on Australian certificates, but what’s needed here is an authority on Kenyan certificates, which you are not nor do you claim to be.
If you can get an expert on Kenyan birth certificates somewhere, I'd love to hear from them. But though I am not an expert on them, I have actually seen a few of them. They did not look significantly like Australian birth certificates. They looked very much like the ones WND has presented on their web page.
I like the way you think. Proving a negative can be a b****.
I wonder how the case of the ANG flight surgeon refusing deployment unless Onada proves his citizenship is working. Ditto the court case brought be a serving US Army captain.
Fact: The Marxist Onada has so far not produced a credible document showing place of birth. All he’s done is throw a bunch of junk out there hoping the chafe will provide the cover he needs to continue occupying the WH. But it looks like the issue may be finally catching up to him.
Politicians seem to be a cowardly breed. I think with the Tea Parties (particularly DC), the ACORN scandals, Onadacare, the continuing economic decline (including the housing market and financial institutions), the colossal failure of “cash for clunkers—among other things— we’ll see enough demrats pols deserting Onada’s ship to make a difference.
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