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To: naturalman1975

Is it at all possible that the Kenyans, as a colony of Britain in 1961, might use a certificate similar to that of Australia, also a former colony? Maybe they even modeled it after Southern Australian certificates, because they’re so nifty. You seem to be an authority on Australian certificates, but what’s needed here is an authority on Kenyan certificates, which you are not nor do you claim to be. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m skeptical of the thing myself, for various reasons. But merely looking like a birth certificate from a different jurisdiction is not sufficient to negate its putative validity. Butterfly ballots from South Florida in 2000 were remarkably similar to butterfly ballots from Cook County, Illinois, after all. But that doesn’t mean they were forgeries.


130 posted on 09/15/2009 7:05:06 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (www.publishedauthors.net/benmaxwell/index.html, http://sites.google.com/site/thevuzvuz/)
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To: Eleutheria5
Is it at all possible that the Kenyans, as a colony of Britain in 1961, might use a certificate similar to that of Australia, also a former colony?

Let's start with the basics. Australian law completely split from British law in 1942 - up until that date, the British Parliament still had the power (it hadn't been exercised on domestic matters in years) to pass laws for Australia. If Australia's laws on birth certificates were pre-1942, it would be possible that the same laws might have applied to the Dominion of Australia and the Colony of Kenya. But they don't - they date from the 1950s. Australian law has never had an impact on Kenyan.

Initially when I first saw the alleged certificate, I did wonder if it was possible that Kenya had obtained birth certificates from Australia. It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility than a British colony might contract out government printing to somewhere else in the Commonwealth. But there is no evidence that's the case.

Now, if we were just talking about the fact that a Kenyan birth certificate bore a strong resemblance to a generic South Australian birth certificate, that might not worry me so much. Even without evidence that Kenya obtained certificates from Australia, that possibility couldn't be ruled out. But it doesn't just bear a strong resemblance to a generic South Australian birth certificate. It bears a strong resemblance to one particular South Australian birth certificate - that of David Bomford. The idea that Barack Obama just so happens to have a birth certificate with the same identification numbers (two separate and distinct identification numbers in two separate locations) as one of the only two South Australian birth certificates that appear to have been online at the time this alleged Kenyan certificate appeared, beggars belief.

There's also the added factor that both certificates carry the same notation in their top left corner - 7s 6d. In Australia, that notation makes perfect sense - 7 shillings and 6 pence (a shilling had 12 pence, so 6 pence was half a shilling and was a common denomination). In Kenya however, it makes no sense. From 1921-1966, Kenya used the British East African shilling but it had 100 cents - 7s 6c, might make some sense, but would make about as much sense as a official government document costing $12.13 in the US - it's not a commonplace price, not easily managed as a unit price. And having seen a number of Kenyan birth certificates, and I have seen some, I've never seen one that came close to looking like an Australian certificate.

Maybe they even modeled it after Southern Australian certificates, because they’re so nifty. You seem to be an authority on Australian certificates, but what’s needed here is an authority on Kenyan certificates, which you are not nor do you claim to be.

If you can get an expert on Kenyan birth certificates somewhere, I'd love to hear from them. But though I am not an expert on them, I have actually seen a few of them. They did not look significantly like Australian birth certificates. They looked very much like the ones WND has presented on their web page.

138 posted on 09/15/2009 7:37:59 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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