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Barack Obama and Slavery Reparations
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Posted on 05/09/2009 6:30:51 AM PDT by jxb7076

Reparations - The Law of Punishment and Reward

Anyone who captures a free person, brings them to another country against their will, forces them to do manual labor without pay, while physically and psychologically abusing them – denying them equal rights to resources are creating a moral and ethical system by which redress is inevitable. Although the era supported this type of behavior and it was acceptable by the legitimate government one could argue that no wrong was committed – except the one who was subjected to the treatment. For them, it was not consensual therefore it's illegal and degrading. Let’s say he/she was subjected to this type of treatment suddenly and unexpectedly. The psychological ramifications would be astronomical leaving mental scars for generations to come.

Let’s go a step further to say that his/her generation for the next two hundred years or more was subjected to this type of treatment from the time they were born to the time of their death. Let’s include the notion that the captured individual wanted to return to their home land and was not only denied the right, but was brutally killed for the thought. Taken a step further, let’s say the captured individuals tried to escape the brutality of their environment but was recaptured, ridiculed and tortured in the presence of thousands. And to conclude let’s say the captured people was suddenly freed – given the rights as free people, then the individual would probably sue and be awarded a lot money. That’s the law of punishment and reward.

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KEYWORDS: bendoverhereitcomes; law; obama; punishment; reparations
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The Law of Punishment and Reward
1 posted on 05/09/2009 6:30:51 AM PDT by jxb7076
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To: jxb7076
Answer with the Law of Stupidity: The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. The Japanese-Americans who were imprisoned in 1942 without being charged or convicted of any crime, brought suit forty years later. The Court ruled that they were TOO LATE in bringing their case, and dismissed it.

If forty years is too late, than two centuries is also too late. This case is going nowhere, except perhaps to rise money from people who are too stupid to realize that it is going nowhere.

Congressman Billybob

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2 posted on 05/09/2009 6:37:46 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Latest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: jxb7076

I might be the only one here that is in favor of reparations. (no, I’m not, I know of others)

I am completely in favor of reparations for the grievous wrong done to Africans brought here for slavery. So...

If we can just find one, just one, who was enslaved, then I say give them reparation!
And if we can find one, just one, who did the enslaving, then make them pay!


3 posted on 05/09/2009 6:42:16 AM PDT by DeLaine
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To: Congressman Billybob

Where’s mine ???

Hillary is living on the land “confiscated” (read stolen) from my Loyalist ancestors...

Hey !!! Hill !!! Get offa my land !!!


4 posted on 05/09/2009 6:42:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: DeLaine

And if we can find one, just one, who did the enslaving, then make them pay!
_____________________________________________

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If that includes the descendants, Obama is in trouble...


5 posted on 05/09/2009 6:44:09 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Congressman Billybob
“The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. “

Yes, but justices come, justices go, and the new desire is for justices who can emphasize. It is unlikely that anything so simple as a precedent will impede Bambam’s freight train of Marxism and revenge. The supreme court is becoming less relevant as a constitutional arbiter and more so as another liberal legislative body.

6 posted on 05/09/2009 6:45:10 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
If that includes the descendants, Obama is in trouble...

So are a whole lot of other black people. A greater percentage of Southern free blacks owned black slaves than did Southern whites; for example, of the 10,698 free blacks in New Orleans in 1860, 28% of them owned black slaves; only 4.8% of Southern whites owned black slaves.
7 posted on 05/09/2009 6:47:14 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Tennessee Nana

No, no descendants, just the perpetrators.


8 posted on 05/09/2009 6:49:01 AM PDT by DeLaine
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To: jxb7076

I consider myself a slave to the federal government....and I demand retribution. One day.....one day....is that Tar and Feathers I smell?


9 posted on 05/09/2009 6:49:23 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Congressman Billybob
It won't be called "reparations." It will be called "economic justice." And as you know, Obama considers the thinking of the Founders and their Constitution to be basically flawed in this regard. When we begin to hear more about "negative rights" from these thugs, we can expect to also begin to hear about "justice" in a whole new Orwellian form.
10 posted on 05/09/2009 6:50:59 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jxb7076
On his father's side, Obama is the descendant of Arab slave traders. On his mother's side, Obama is the descendant of white American slave owners.

So is Obama going to pay reparations?

11 posted on 05/09/2009 6:53:52 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Crisis - America Held Hostage)
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To: jxb7076
I am in favor of reparations to living slaves paid by living slave owners, including black slave owners who owned more that 15% of black slaves. I am also in favor of whites who were slaves getting reparations.

I also want to see excluded people groups from paying who arrived in this country after 1867, as well as all blacks who arrived after 1867.

Then I want the US to sue the blacks, generally muslims, in western Africa for reimbursement of the cost because they sold the slaves in the first place.

12 posted on 05/09/2009 6:55:27 AM PDT by svcw (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who know binary and those who don't.)
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To: jxb7076

Stealing from the living to punish the dead.


13 posted on 05/09/2009 6:55:54 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: jxb7076
Had to fix the following:

In the year 2009 we now have an influx of (illegal) immigrants into America who are moving into nice homes, attending nice schools, and receiving monetary rewards gifts through welfare and other socio-political programs. These new arrivals did nothing more than fill out a little paperwork to receive these benefits.

What paperwork?

At the same time we have African-Americans who feel forced (as opposed to just giving it to them?) to compete with these new arrivals for resources they feel they’ve earned entitled through years of mistreatment (Being on welfare is mistreatment ?). Certainly one can understand their concerns, whether they agree with them or not.

14 posted on 05/09/2009 6:59:13 AM PDT by Popman (Only one question remains: Does the sun rise because of Obama or does Obama rise because of the sun)
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To: jxb7076
Let’s go a step further to say that his/her generation for the next two hundred years or more was subjected to this type of treatment from the time they were born to the time of their death. Let’s include the notion that the captured individual wanted to return to their home land and was not only denied the right, but was brutally killed for the thought. Taken a step further, let’s say the captured individuals tried to escape the brutality of their environment but was recaptured, ridiculed and tortured in the presence of thousands. And to conclude let’s say the captured people was suddenly freed – given the rights as free people, then the individual would probably sue and be awarded a lot money. That’s the law of punishment and reward.

This is a fantasy as far as the U.S. is concerned. Although we recognize now that slavery as a concept is irreconcilable with the concept of individual liberty as a God-given right, slaves in the South were materially better off than free northern factory workers and materially better off than many are today, having had a lifetime expropriation of product amounting to about 10%. Compare this to today's combined federal, state, and local tax burden. They were certainly better off than they would have been as slaves in Africa (where they had been captured through warfare with other African tribes and sold by them) or the Middle East or in the Caribbean or in Brazil. Of all the slaves imported into the Americas, the U.S. was responsible for about 6%. Yet the U.S. had one of the single largest slave populations in the Americas. The reason for this is because conditions elsewhere were so harsh that the few years average life of a slave outside the American South necessitated continuing and increasing imports to replenish the workforce.
15 posted on 05/09/2009 6:59:42 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: DeLaine
If we can just find one, just one, who was enslaved, then I say give them reparation!

And if we can find one, just one, who did the enslaving, then make them pay!

0 is in a unique position to bring resolution to this problem of slavery. It was his ancestors who enslaved negroes and sold them to western plantation owners. He must make a personal confession to those whose ancestors were enslaved by his ancestors.

Set the record straight,0. Accept the burden of sin that is yours and genuine healing will begin.

16 posted on 05/09/2009 7:03:00 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (0 is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

barry “trading places” obama is going to say what?????


17 posted on 05/09/2009 7:07:58 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: jxb7076

Black LIBERATION theology and reparations for slavery?

When a black woman is one of the richest people in America?

When a black man was Secretary of State??

When a black woman was Secretary of State?

When black men have sat — and do sit — on the Supreme Court??

When a black would-be despot sits in the White House?????

When countless black men have risen to the top of the ranks of the richest in professional sports and show business?? Men like Han Aaron. Men like Bill Cosby who... (Never mind. As we all know, Bill’s either an Uncle Tom or Oreo Cookie, depending on which black race pimp you listen to.)

Liberation Theology?

Liberation from WHAT? The chance to achieve and succeed??

Give me a break!!

Let me make it clear right up front: I am NOT a racist. I supported Herman Cain in his run for the Senate. And if he ever runs again, I would probably support him again.

I also consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, both are black.

Sowell, Williams and Cain – among others — have spoken out against those fellow blacks who castigate and vilify America for a slavery now long in our past. And ALL thinking men and women oppose the periodic calls for reparations. (When he ran, I supported Alan Keyes. I even spoke in his stead on the RTKABA at a Capitol rally and was asked to fill in for him on his radio show at the time. Sadly, while I still consider Alan a good man, I have had to rethink my support since he came out FOR reparations.)

The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something:

They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE!

Had their ancestors NOT been brought OUT of Africa – many by Muslim slave raiders —the blood of those ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago, victims of the OTHER black tribes that captured them in one of the interminable tribal conflicts STILL ravaging that sad continent and these modern day would-be “plaintiffs” would not even exist.

And I would remind you that slavery is STILL practiced in parts of Africa (mainly by muslims) and Asia today.

95% of the African slaves who were transported across the Atlantic went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions, and that less than 5% of the slaves who crossed the Atlantic went to the United States, it was remarkable that the vast majority of academic research, films, books and articles concerning the slave trade concentrated only on the American involvement, as though slavery was a uniquely American aberration.

And should the great-great-great grandchildren of SLAVE OWNING BLACKS also be subject to PAYING these reparations? If so, how do we find THEM?

And I have traced MY family back to the SLAVS. Although the term looks to be related to “slave,” depending on your source, it either means “glory” or “worshipper.” But my family research indicates that many of my of my ancestors LIVED lives of virtual slavery to some despot or other. Do I qualify for reparations? From whom?? And it begs a question: Are most of us now living here are headed into a modern form off that servitude? But that’s a topic for another discussion.

The official US Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners.
-”Selling Poor Steven”, American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90

Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a telling of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony:
Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers’ Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378

And the holier-than-thou Northern liberals are strangely silent on recent archeological evidence from NEW YORK CITY clearly tracing the financing of the slave trade to NORTHERN BUSINESSMEN!!

At the height of his remarkable boxing career, Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Clay), once declared “I’m glad my great-grandpa got on that boat.”

And author Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.

Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice, “Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”

Next problem!


18 posted on 05/09/2009 7:20:54 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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There are quite a lot of people in the US descended from Caribbean islanders of African descent--so if anyone should pay them reparations it should be the Spanish, French, Dutch, or English who enslaved their ancestors.

When are the Egyptians going to pay reparations to the Jews for enslaving the ancient Israelites?

19 posted on 05/09/2009 7:23:06 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Dick Bachert
The word "slave" comes from Slav because in the Middle Ages so many Slavs were enslaved by Christians and Muslims--but anyone who can trace Slavic ancestry today is descended from the Slavs who weren't enslaved, just like the present-day populations of sub-Saharan African countries are descended from the people who weren't victims of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
20 posted on 05/09/2009 7:26:24 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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