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This article is about a new book called Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11. The article gives the impression that the book is largely nonideological, focusing instead on specific managerial decisions by Giuliani and the practical effects they had.

I've always thought that Giuliani has gotten a free pass from the media simply because he seemed calm and statesmanlike on that awful day. Granted, he was indeed good on TV, but so was Clinton after the Oklahoma City bombing. That much is just image.

When it comes to substance, Rudy really fell down. A lot of people have heard how the firefighters and police couldn't communicate with each other, a problem that had been known at the start of Giuliani's mayoralty but that he hadn't fixed in eight years. Nor is it pure hindsight to say that he shouldn't have located the city's emergency command center at the WTC -- at the time he did it, plenty of people pointed out that the WTC, having been attacked once, had to be considered a prime terrorist target.

Judging from the article, this book develops those examples and adds quite a few others.

The WoT looms so large that many people may be willing to overlook Giuliani's obvious weaknesses on other issues. There seems to be a school of thought that says he's a great candidate because he happened to be Mayor of New York on 9/11, so he must know all about this key issue. I hope those people will look into his record a little more deeply.

As the author of the article says, "You can bet national political reporters will be combing though these chapters as the 2008 presidential campaign season revs up."

1 posted on 08/24/2006 3:03:33 AM PDT by Eagle Forgotten
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As the author of the article says, "You can bet national political reporters will be combing though these chapters as the 2008 presidential campaign season revs up."

I'm sure the author is greatly saddened by that. By the way, just how much did the 'non ideological' author contribute to Hitlery over the years? Enquiring minds want to know...

2 posted on 08/24/2006 3:08:04 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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"But what if Rudy's take-charge image was mostly a load of bravado and PR? What if the actual decisions he made - before, during and after the terror attacks - were directly responsible for the city's inability to deal effectively with crucial aspects of the crisis?"

Bravado...PR...other than a lust for power and desire to control, of what other use is ANY polititian?!

No polititian is to be trusted.


3 posted on 08/24/2006 3:08:18 AM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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Ellis Henican is a chronic liar and Democrat shill. Whatever defects Gulliani may have, don't count on anything by Henican to describe them accurately. As for the book, I don;t know if it, also, is a hit piece rather than informative.

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4 posted on 08/24/2006 3:08:22 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Have a look-see. Please get involved.)
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I don't trust one (1) word Ellis Henican writes or speaks.


5 posted on 08/24/2006 3:10:19 AM PDT by good1
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To: Eagle Forgotten; Congressman Billybob

Congressman Billybob is right. Hennican is a liar and shilll for the Rats. I am not certain that Rudyy is the best candidate, but this article comes pretty close to blaming him for deaths at the WTC, which I find despicable.


6 posted on 08/24/2006 3:12:47 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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I fear that Giuliani's private life will not be front and center in the primaries and if he wins the nomination it will be all we hear from then till the election. Giuliani as nominee would smooth Mrs. Clinton's path immensely because there is a tremendous lot of Republicans who will not vote for Giuliani because of that private life and Mrs. Clinton does not have to worry about such things. Her voters consider sexual scandal to be a badge of honor.


9 posted on 08/24/2006 3:18:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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The dims are threatened to death by Rudy. This will be the first of many attempts to diminish his star power.


11 posted on 08/24/2006 3:21:31 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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So you make your point by posting an Ellis Henican column... pure genius.


13 posted on 08/24/2006 3:24:35 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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Finally! Someone is willing to go after this megalomaniac. Nobody remembers that, absent 9/11, Rudy was set to go down as a one-trick pony who utterly wasted his entire second term on: the Brooklyn museum; his prostate; and his tactlessly public crumbling marriage.

Sadly, of the four leading GOP contenders for the White House, we have: a gaffe-prone Mormon from Massachusetts who rides the laurels of his family name (Mitt Romney); a certifiable kook who’ll sell his soul for positive coverage from the Washington Post (McCain); a(nother!) gaffe-prone intellectual featherweight whose main claim to fame is a famous dad names George (George Allen); and a press-hungry dictatorial prosecutor who’s never even held statewide office (Rudy). While I still have my doubts about whether Giuliani will run . . . this field stinck.

16 posted on 08/24/2006 3:34:13 AM PDT by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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Oh, brother. The leftists just can't stand that people have heroes and look up to certain people.

It would have been much better if Rudy had acted like Nagin and gone into hiding when the hurricane hit New Orleans or worried about what he was going to wear on television like LA's governor Blanco. /sarcasm

I'm sure the writer understands that without purchasing hugely expensive satellite phones, there wasn't (and maybe still isn't) a phone in existence that doesn't have coverage issues.

Regardless, I think Rudy is a hero; the way he comported himself in the days after 9/11 will be always fresh in my mind and I personally don't know anyone who doesn't look up to him.


20 posted on 08/24/2006 3:41:55 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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What if Rudy Giuliani wasn't quite the hero everybody thought?

I never thought he was a hero. An opportunist who made personal hay out af a tragedy maybe, but never a hero.

35 posted on 08/24/2006 4:29:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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Rudi is a threat to the Dems...so of course they wish to tear him down. I'd take him over McCain any day. Rudi was a wonderful Mayor. He is a take charge guy. He drover hookers and druggies out of Times Square returning it to the people. He was tough on crime and cleaned up New York. I do not share his views on social issues, but he is a much closer to my beliefs than any Dem.


37 posted on 08/24/2006 4:33:48 AM PDT by nyconse
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NO surprise to me!

I haven't seen a ground swell to make Gov. Keating of Oklahoma President. IHMO he did a really great job all the way around during the Murrah Bldg. bombing.

There has been a finished memorial for several years, and it did not take the city long to recover.
41 posted on 08/24/2006 4:39:15 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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The WoT looms so large that many people may be willing to overlook Giuliani's obvious weaknesses on other issues. There seems to be a school of thought that says he's a great candidate because he happened to be Mayor of New York on 9/11, so he must know all about this key issue. I hope those people will look into his record a little more deeply.

Based on Dem hitman Ellis Hennican and a smear book? LOL!

All this indicates is that the Dems fear a Giuliani candidacy.

45 posted on 08/24/2006 4:45:59 AM PDT by browardchad
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Looks like the 'rats are scared.


48 posted on 08/24/2006 4:50:12 AM PDT by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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but so was Clinton after the Oklahoma City bombing.

--yeah--blaming it on Rush Limbaugh?---(sarc)

53 posted on 08/24/2006 4:56:29 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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>Ellis Henican

No need to read any further.


85 posted on 08/24/2006 6:23:04 AM PDT by steve1848
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That you would compare Rudy's response to Clinton's is a sick joke. Clinton blamed the listeners of talk radio for the Oklahoma bombing.

Henican is a pig and his first editorial after 9/11 was a harangue excoriating Bush for not being visible to the public 24/7. But if Bush had been on TV all day long Henican would have been complaining that Bush wasn't tending to the important matters at hand.
The Republican's are looking good for 2008 when this type of crap is being passed off a insightful reporting. And WTC aside, Giuliani cleaned up the cesspool that was called NYC when everyone said it couldn't be done. But in your mind I guess that was a small feat.
88 posted on 08/24/2006 6:41:15 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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Rudy provided outstanding crisis management and leadership from the minute the terrorists attacked us.

If we are going to assign blame for doing nothing against terrorism, how about a book about Clintoon?


94 posted on 08/24/2006 6:49:59 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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But what if Rudy's take-charge image was mostly a load of bravado and PR? What if the actual decisions he made - before, during and after the terror attacks - were directly responsible for the city's inability to deal effectively with crucial aspects of the crisis?

All Giuliani proved on 9/11 is that he can stick with an emergency operations/disaster recovery plan already written for him and that he's a master of PR. Sure, he could have done what the Mayor of New Orleans did in the face of disaster and toss the written and practiced plans. He didn't. I'll give him that. But that's not much. Most of the decisions were already made for him, had been simulated and practiced, and were written down in a detailed plan.

102 posted on 08/24/2006 7:36:39 AM PDT by Spiff (Death before Dhimmitude)
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